I played one 2/3 with Justin a week and a half ago. I’m going to be an infnitely better player because of it.
I’m not being sarcastic at all.
In any event, I really don’t see how making the tournaments more competitive will detract from casual fun. If John Choi were to come out, you don’t have to play him. If you want to casually play with a couple of friends, you can do that regardless of who’s there.
And regardless of whether an individual personally wants to do better, I think we can all appreciate great matches being played in our prescence, regardless of whether we can hang with those that are playing.
Listen, the last thing I want to do is go on some power trip over C3. My intentions, however, are to build the hype in the local scene, as well as the skill level, and make C3 a major arena of the EC. I want to be able to throw a real, legitimate major at C3. That’s just me. If people are adamantly opposed to that, then we’ll do it another way. That’s just where I stand.
I think that raising the fee helps to legitimize the tournaments. A $5 monthly just seems weak.
Roski threw tournaments in NC all summer. As part of the main group that went down multiple times, I can say with confidence that we wouldn’t have went down once had the tournaments been $5.
It just seems like a weak event at $5. Not attractive at all. At $10, I think we’d be more likely to see Philly, NY, NJ, NC, etc on a more consistent basis. That’s what I want to see.
Fuck a hero…that nigga made me sick…:sad: Cant even give him the ass whoopin he deserve in cvs2 tonight. Next time I travel with him, he gettin in the trunk
Oh money matches will also make bigger turn out…Steve vs whoever.lol
out of locals are gonna come to every monthly are they? if they do then theres the problem.
if not then you should choose which one you wanna make big for all the non locals. then everyone can come, we can have a big turnout, and 10$ occassionally is good.
if the top players want it set to 10$, its the same thing as 5$ if you think about it. if you have a 10$ tournament, with lets say 15 of the best players of 3s (since the other people know they dont stand a chance and might just not bother to play altogether), the pot of a 32 man tourney (with all the GG, CVS2, MVC2, and all people who are interested in learning and becoming better) is the same exact thing.
and like epsilon said, i dont see what money has to do with improving. as for attracting other players, they should come anyway right? whats the money gonna do if half the people dont wanna enter and give away 10$ in two 2/3’s?
C3 hasn’t been really ever been a “serious” tournament. C3 isn’t trying to be FFA and i don’t think it should be FFA. C3 is made up of the same people nearly every month, just for the fun of playing really. I have to wonder if 10$ will really cause people to up their game. I think 10$ at C3 would really be the exact same thing that I just ended up paying more for.
Although, I’ll still be there if it is 10$, for me its not that bad. I’m not gonna go nuts or something like that unless it goes over 10$. It’s really me wanting to be cheap, and I need to be that way.
Edit: I would be for the Ranbat format meaning that you pick a character and you play with it the whole tournament.
If we want to compare ourselves to FFA, every FFA tourney I’ve ever entered has been $5. There are two reasons for this. One is so that less experienced players aren’t excluded because they don’t have $10 worth of confidence in their abilities. FFA is still getting new people to come to tournaments, it’s not a dying scene, and part of the reason for that is the low barrier to entry. The other reason is that people don’t need a bunch of dough to get serious about things. Does the fact that tournaments are $5 or $0 or $10 affect whether Pyro shows up? No, what makes him show up is that he wants to play with all the good players that would otherwise not have shown up that day so that he, and by extension they, can get better.
I want to push the scene to get stronger in skill level, that’s 100% my goal. I may play Q (or may have played him, really), but that doesn’t mean that I’m not competitive; my goal has always been to win, and barring that, to be the best with Q I could possibly be. I don’t want our tournaments to be casual, I want them to be serious tournaments, but I don’t think that requires an individual entrant to pay $30 to join a few games. All it requires is a mindset, and that doesn’t cost $10 per game. Paul is exactly right; would any of you have played more seriously last weekend if the tournament you entered had been double the cost?
I want the best players there, but again, I think that’s less a function of how much the entry is and more one of how many people will be there and how the rest of the field’s skill will be, and I think the best way to make lots of skilled people is to make things cheaper rather than more expensive.
i’m up for the ranbats:tup: quarter,semis, finals shoud be rec!!.Are we going to do the points like gamervisons ones. MOD should know how they do this shit!! I hope:confused:
On To The Money Topic here…
i certainly don’t mind paying the extra five bucks,but i think that 5 bucks more per person is not going to bring any outsiders.If you guys wanna make a "major"type of tourney every 3 months or so i’m also up for it.We could even do twice a week tourneys, what do u guys think?But also things to consider by bumping it
we loose people that are getting into the game different styles or just plain trying to get better and know that they have no chance at winning because of the fact that we raise the money.They enter to get experience from a tournament match point of view.
2))i thought c3 is to make the scene bigger and better.No to chop off the players or the comp.Before it was kimmicks the only makoto,but tornadoflame is getting better every month.My only oro comp is pat and mod which i see like once a month.Mr.mamation is getting better in both cvs2 and sf3 with his oro:tup:
Looks like we are getting more diversity of characters. i would love to hear people say that md/va is a “good competion” state,for all games!!Not just a certain individual. what ever you guys think needs to be done i’m up for it.be it 5 or 10 bucks.i just want everyone to get better and not to be selfish.I want everyone to be good, khangs level and keep getting higherr.If we level up so will him and etc…that should bring more outsiders i would think.But i agree with jay and david to a certain extend,we shouldn’t loose numbers of comp in our tourneys.That would contracdict our “whole or main” goal.
Referring to Tornado Flame’s suggested pricing method:
Eliminate the minors category and just make it $5. There are only two games in that bracket anyways (three if you count VF), and that way, second place and maybe third gets some pot share, instead of it being winner take all, or a rather pathetic split. Plus, Puzzle Fighter’s gonna pull in even more people next C3 then some of your listed mids, watch!
Don’t really care either way how prices go, just gonna go with the flow. Then again, I’m not really planning on entering multiple tournaments… >_> But yeah, we’re getting a month’s notice about possible price increases. Just save that random dollar here or there. You don’t need to buy that thing, or you could drink water instead of that soda. Eventually, that loose change’ll add up. They’re not asking you for anything ridiculous now…
And for the casual player who wants to enter into five or so tournaments only to change his or her mind because of the raise in pricing, maybe that’s a good thing, save them some money if they’re not confident in themselves. If nothing else, it’ll make managing tournament brackets a bit easier, and make it so no one gets a veritable bye because their opponent was some random man who didn’t know how to push buttons? Yeah, the variety in some tournaments will die off, but you got casuals to play with everyone. Why’s it gotta have money involved, just get your games in with strangers during casual time.
If people want to play against better opponents, they can get in casual games between, before, or after tournaments. Just ask the opponent to take the match seriously if you’re afraid you won’t get the full experience when nothing is on the line. I dunno… I didn’t need cash to encourage me to play my game Saturday, and play it like I wanted to win… but maybe that’s just me and the fact that my game’s not as “serious” as others. T_T
And big ups to the Smash players for their ridiculous dedication and willingness to cough up the cash to get rush downed by Foxes for hours on end. Not right to hate on them just because they can pull in a lot more dedicated people and want to compete.
Well when it comes to casual against good gamers, they aint really gonna show much unless you prove worth their time or if money is riding on it.
But I still dont see the point of this endless debate. $5 vs $10…really aint that big of a difference. Maybe with the entry fee yea. But yea, the only people your detracting with the lower price might be the Bmore crew. Like rugal, steve and Bmore Chun who end up playing each other all the time. When they could just stay at home and play each other there.
dog you have a month notice to do something about it… .and i pay just as much… cuse not only im a tekken head (note i play other games besides tekken), and a GG head (note i play other games besides GG)… i put five in for melty (even run or help run the damn thing) and next time i come im defenitely hitting ST… im spending 35 right now (that’s if i don’t enter other tournies like PF or AH… which is coming out next month)… so what’s the deal? like seriously…
and the comment about the “potential” players…you have to cycle out the players who won’t get in seriously or won’t get in at all… destroy and rebuild… if they ain’t trying to get good by playing good players in tourney what’s the point… they just wasting time… and that’s why sometimes C3 takes so long to finish…cuse then you have these guys who just “casually” play and then they leave to eat or some shit while…the players who are learning and trying get good suffer for it… as much as like a scene just as much as the next man… if they ain’t trying to get better what’s the point…
and not hating on ya’lls opinion… im just stating on how i feel that’s all
jesus fucking christ(sorry pat i had to use ur real name) is this debate still going on???
how about this… hold a $5 tourney and a $10 at the same time… enter which ever one you can fucking afford (cant enter both obviously)…so what happens is, when youre in the $5 tourney against 3 people, get pissy, cry for a minute, then go shell out the extra money, or play it out…
If the tournament is $10, and you think it’s too expensive, OR you don’t think you have a shot at top 3, then DO NOT ENTER. Seriously…
MOD made an excellent point many posts ago:
Perfect. Less tournament time means MORE casual play. …and more casual play will allow people to get more playing time in, increasing their skill. Am I right or wrong?
So, $10 tournaments sound great to me… Hell, make it $15. Although I doubt anyone likes my reasoning behind it. :lol:
like i said; im all for making people strive to get better – so $10 sounds good from 3S point of view. and like i said, if i win, ill treat top 5 out to lunch/dinner. it has to be PHO though. or chicken. but no, it’ll be PHO. maybe we could also start earlier; so that this stipulation can actually HAPPEN before places close.
We couldn’t run 3S teams last time because we ran out of time. If we had a slightly smaller, more serious main tournament, we’d have more time for the cheaper, less serious team tournament that newer players could enter.
