C Viper - Combo Thread

[DrewGrimey]

Hey guys, am trying out Vergil at the moment for my Viper/xxx/Strider team at the moment, and was wondering if anyone could fill me in on a couple of things. Firstly, what are the best combo extenders to do after a combo using Vergil’s assist.

Also, from watching DrewGrimey I have figured out what I think is his DHC combo from burst time into Vergil as follows:
QCF+L (hold L), Helm Breaker, Release L, cr. H, QCF+L (hold L), DP+M, cr.H, F+H, Release L, Cr.H xx QCF+L (hold L), Cr. H xx DP+M, DF+H xx QCF+AA

But I seem to be having trouble getting the first DP+M after the second QCF+L. Is there something I am missing here or do I just need to grind it out more?

I start out by holding H while the super animation in in effect and charge switch after the first qcf L. Also make sure you do the Helm breaker fast and cancel into round trip the second you hit the ground, everything should fall into place after that

[JP253]

Is there anyway to relaunch with viper and rapid slash after her normal seismo bnb? *not at the start like midway

The way I get rapid slash to work is to do after launch sj.h, dj, sj.m, sj.h, sj.s, land, call vergil, seismo, burn kick. The timing is like using doom plasma beam. Also, if you have vergil in dt mode, its easier to get it to connect. Hope this helps. Btw, this is in corner.

[LouieBH]

The way I get rapid slash to work is to do after launch sj.h, dj, sj.m, sj.h, sj.s, land, call vergil, seismo, burn kick. The timing is like using doom plasma beam. Also, if you have vergil in dt mode, its easier to get it to connect. Hope this helps. Btw, this is in corner.

ah yeah ive been using this was trying to find a way to tac into my 3rd character since vergil is second is proving rather difficult to do with an optimal bnb

[UltraPanda]

I start out by holding H while the super animation in in effect and charge switch after the first qcf L. Also make sure you do the Helm breaker fast and cancel into round trip the second you hit the ground, everything should fall into place after that

Thanks heaps. Got it straight away after trying this.

[Chrisis]

Just do stuff into m tk (feint on hit), st.m + disruptor, st.h xx m tk (feint on hit), disruptor hits, st.s (1 hit) xx l seismo box dash air hs, st.m, st.h, s, sj.mmh, dj.mmhs, l seismo xx burst time. This basically does the same damage as an assisted relaunch and isn’t hard to pull off at all. A common error is that an assisted relaunch gives viper the best damage or is even necessary. In fact the way vipers damage scaling and scaling in this game in general works, the first ten hits in her combos are the most damaging, so most of the time you’re even better off using an assist to extend her ground series before the first launcher. If you do that and sent is still available, you can call sent during the launcher and end your aur series with h bk instead of air s, let the opponent fall into the drones, do grounded h bk, st.s (1 hit) xx burst time for stupid damage and meter gain. Long story short: hyper grav doesn’t give you much more damage than disruptor, but sucks for neutral. Of course you can play viper with drones only as it is an insanely good assist, but that way you will play an even more hit and run style consisting of call drones, protect sent with seismos and lasers, go in when drones are out and start to back off again if you didn’t manage to open up the opponent. Rinse n repeat. With a fast, vertikal assist like disruptor you can shift from turtling to offense way faster and it also closes gaps in you’re offense if you’re already in, helps to negate pushblock, etc… It also helps in certain matchups where sent drones just get blown up like magneto, hawkeye, doom and so on, plus it counters the opponents own sent drones and doom missiles calls very well if he has them.

Can you squeeze in an H tk feint before the disruptor? It would help the damage output.

Also… Viper (burn kick)/ Rocket Raccoon (pendulum)/ Dante (Jam session) is my new fun team. It’s actually really strong.

[Rekkas]

For rapid seismo after the second part :d::df::f::uf:+:atk: , do I just do the tiger knee seismo again? I’m a little confused, any help will be appreciated.

[don_tknow]

Can you squeeze in an H tk feint before the disruptor? It would help the damage output.

Also… Viper (burn kick)/ Rocket Raccoon (pendulum)/ Dante (Jam session) is my new fun team. It’s actually really strong.

Unfortunately not, it launches the opponent too high to connect anything after disruptor hits.

[br00talBUSBY]

I’m running a Viper/Morrigan/Strider team, my question is what’s the best ender off of a full screen seismo->vajra? I’m using meter assist for morrigan, so the follow up has to be solo viper. Is it possible to get a staircase in after that?

[DrewGrimey]

if you can get in fast enough, you can get a box dash loop into a combo

[spidey89]

I start out by holding H while the super animation in in effect and charge switch after the first qcf L. Also make sure you do the Helm breaker fast and cancel into round trip the second you hit the ground, everything should fall into place after that

at corner you can add another helm breaker at the start of the sword combo. Also u can use qcfM instead of L so u can charge like normally, with L.

[DrewGrimey]

at corner you can add another helm breaker at the start of the sword combo. Also u can use qcfM instead of L so u can charge like normally, with L.

doesn’t work if you are too close to the corner and usually with the way I do my Vergil ender I am

[spidey89]

doesn’t work if you are too close to the corner and usually with the way I do my Vergil ender I am

It does when u DHC from seismo super. Not sure if possible as solo Vergil combo.

[DrewGrimey]

It does when u DHC from seismo super. Not sure if possible as solo Vergil combo.

It works but when I go for a burn kick ender to burst time it puts me too close to the corner so sometimes doing a helm breaker causes a hard knock down for some odd reason. The qcf.m is a good idea if you don’t like charge switching but I dont think it did all the hits

[PurpleRain]

Can viper get a relaunch from Dante Weasel Shot assist?

[don_tknow]

Can viper get a relaunch from Dante Weasel Shot assist?

She can and it’s pretty easy. Just call dante, L seismo xx tk’ed H bk. Works midscreen too if you wavedash twice and call dante during the first dash.

[spidey89]

It works but when I go for a burn kick ender to burst time it puts me too close to the corner so sometimes doing a helm breaker causes a hard knock down for some odd reason. The qcf.m is a good idea if you don’t like charge switching but I dont think it did all the hits

The reason helm breaker causes the hard knock down you are talking about is because of the low height after swords activation. You basically slam them before the swords get any active frames in. That however doesnt happen if u DHC from burst time as Viper throws the opponent very high in the air. Ofc its just some minor dmg boost that u dont have to give a fuck about, but it actually is consistent

[DrewGrimey]

The reason helm breaker causes the hard knock down you are talking about is because of the low height after swords activation. You basically slam them before the swords get any active frames in. That however doesnt happen if u DHC from burst time as Viper throws the opponent very high in the air. Ofc its just some minor dmg boost that u dont have to give a fuck about, but it actually is consistent

I’ll test it more but I do activate swords while they are high up and they hit a few times, Keep in mind that the opponent is directly above my head when I do the DHC, that’s why I start with qcf.L so it can move me back a bit

[spidey89]

Yeah but u START with qcf.L, i start with helm breaker and as a result it pushes me back a little so the following qcf.M connects. Give it a try you will understand what im saying ;p

[Smoothjazz101]

What’s the best bnb involving Vajra?

[don_tknow]

What’s the best bnb involving Vajra?

Basically just stuff into a full stairkick bnb and use vajra at the end for an additional seismo xx h tk before you go into seismo xx burst time. The more practiacal variant would be stuff into boxdash, st.m, st.h + vajra, s (1 hit) xx h tk feint, mhs, etc… This also corner carries from basically fullscreen.