C-Sagat vs C-Blanka; Who Wins?

Sagat has a far ranged, low hitting, 4 frame d.MK that can lead to +50% damage when he has meter. All strengths of Blanka’s RC electricity have 13 frames of totally vulnerable recovery, not to mention it’s vulnerable low after the ~19 frames of invulnerability you gain from the roll wear off anyway.

Anytime Blanka whiffs RC electricity within range of Sagat’s d.MK —> dead Blanka, end of the discussion.

if blanka has meter wut does a c-sagat do? he jumps he dies, i mean…iono; c-blanka is top tier for a reason, and i don’t know of people that would rc electricity right in sagat’s c.mk range, usually its far away to get some meter. not saying your wrong at all, personally; i like c-sagat and c-cammy better…but i still think c-blanka is too fuckin cheesy/good

C-Blanka jumping at a metered Sagat isn’t much better off. I can’t say that one is better than the other, but it would be nice if we could get some actual elaboration on how C-Blanka takes out C-Sagat.

I hope you mean that strictly for any non-K groove.

If you knock the opponent down first, go for it. If the opponent is still on his feet but you’re in control of the match, (low jump HK, d.LK, s.LP xx super) or (empty low jump, d.LK, s.LP xx super) do more damage. Do you agree?

I see K-Blanka players down on life, (hop, super) against a full meter C-Sagat as a last ditch effort, then lose because Sagat blocks. Those Blanka players are pretty good… :slight_smile:

Blanka outranges Sagat. Sagat has easier to land supers. That’s why they’re both top tier and both pretty equal. I’d say Blanka beats Sagat though

C Blanka should use his range to beat C Sagat…

any missed/baited C./S.Fierce should be punished with C.Strong(XX lvl 3 if you have it) or C.Fierce. From far use Fierce slide to punish/get close after missed Fierces/C.Forwards. Doing this helps Blanka get in easier, but he should still stick to the gameplan of staying away from Sagat…counter hit S.jabs and C.Shorts are scary.

If your opponent is a good player he will bait you with wiffing C.Jabs/Shorts into counter hit C.Fierce, which will beat all of Blankas pokes…this is why you Fierce slide from far, it goes right under C.Fierce.

Sagat jumping in from far with J.Roundhouse is a free slide which I’m sure you all know…better and much safer than RC various balls.
but use RC Short up ball for anti cross-up…

touch match to call. A HUGE turtle match unless Sagat gets in. I’d give it to Sagat overall…because Blanka really can’t do much if he has meter.

changed my mind. gotta give it to c sagat. was playing all day and bombed blanka. :cool: saw a lot of advantages for one eye.
still tough though.

Sagat 6-4 IMO. Sagat’s stand short is a murderous move in this match. If blanka has meter, sagat cant jump blindly-but blanka cant jump blindly EVER. On the ground sagat stand short beats everything blanka can stick out. Blanka needs a knockdown to get in, and if he does he can win, thats why it’s 6-4, but in general Sagat is more solid IMO.

sagat fucking beasts blanka down

c-sagat = 2nd best counter for blanka, after p/k-cammy

dont know what kinda weak ass sagats are being played that are supposedly losing badly to c-blanka, but yah

Yeah Sagat has st lk but how much damage does that do? One cr fp by Blanka will make up for about 8 st lk. And you WILL land range moves with Blanka, nobody can just stand there and lk all day. Plus Blanka can just build meter with whiff RC electricity and what’s Sagat gonna do? It’s pretty even

R2 Blanka cr.fp = 1365
R2 Sagat s.lk = 210+420 (630)
R2 Sagat s.lk xx lvl 2 low tiger xx lvl 1 high tiger = 6930

We already talked about how RC electricity isn’t safe.

At far range, I would do roundhouse low tiger shot. You play Sagat, so you should too. What’s he going to do? RC ball you with no charge? Do a high tiger shot if he starts super jumping after whiffing an electricity.

If Blanka does whiff RC electricity up close, and you have Sagat, Blanka is foolish.

Sagat can stick out c.MP or c.HP if Blanka starts abusing his long range c.HP.

I was talking about outside Sagat’s st lk range. It usually won’t hit twice. That will keep Blanka away but it’s not gonna lead to a super since nobody can combo on reaction to the one hit. I don’t believe those numbers anyway lol, but I’ll check tomorrow. RC electricity IS safe, that’s why people do it. Just because Sagat CAN counter it doesn’t mean he will all the time. It’s just like any other move, it’s not gonna be unbeatable but it’s a good move. I think as long as Blanka can keep Sagat out (which he can very well) he wins, but that fight can be so random there’s no clear winner

No, one crouching fp makes up for AT MOST, 3 standing lks. And since you did standing lk, blanka wont ever hit you with low fp. If you play your ranges that weakly then you deserve to lose this match but trust me it’s not hard at all to avoid ever ever getting crouching fp’d when you have sagat, its certainly not going to win blanka the whole match. Just dont ever get in that range, and press short a few times and see how he reacts. If he starts whiffing low fierces trying to hit you, thank him for giving you that free low fierce xx super.

Ok wow blanka can do rc elec every now and then(although if he is not at full screen it is not particularly safe). That sure got him a whole hell of a long way.

How does blanka hit sagat again? Blanka’s only chance in this match is to connect a random rc electricity at close range or a random slide, or to have such a better ground game than you that you allow him to jump at you, all of which are risky moves at the ranges blanka will have to use them.

It’s only a 6-4 match because of how dangerous blanka can be when he knocks you down, but he is going to have one hell of a hard time trying to get in on you and actually hurt you. Maybe if blanka comes in with a lead already the match is hard but if they start out even there is no excuse to lose to c blanka with c sagat unless you are just a totally inferior player to your opponent.

Whatever just watch match vids and you can clearly see it’s not in either one’s favor. Play a good C Blanka and do st lks all day and see what happens. If it was that easy that’s all anyone would do. Blanka can RC electricity after knockdowns and mix that up with throws, so I don’t know why people act like it’s a useless move because it can be countered if done wrong. Again watch how much it’s done in match vids- A LOT. Watch Bas vs Choi from evo2k3. Bas does it at punishable range and Sagat does st lk and gets zapped. I’m not saying Blanka has it easy, but saying there’s no reason for Sagat to lose EVER is ridiculous

blanka vs sagat…

this match goes either way, if the blanka is really good they have footsies/combo ability
blankas normals are tops…Rc ball /low fierce/slide for AA…

dunno i really feel like they counter each other, the match goes pretty even …

I just played around in training and Sagat gets between 250 and 500 on his one hit st lk, depending on if it’s a trade, clean hit or counter hit. It’'ll usually be a counter or trade. Blanka can trade a lot with st lk. If timed right he can punish it or stuff it with sweep or slide. Blanka’s cr fp gets beat pretty much every time however. His sweep counter hit does like 1600 or so. So if somehow some people still think Sagat can st lk all day and win for free, try it yourself in training

No, Sagat does not win for free. To “time right” a move like the sweep or the slide you’re anticipating the attack by the opponent, which means that its your skill and not the character (which is really more important anyways). What happens if Sagat blocks a slide? Maybe some c.lks for Blanka.

Sagat jumps in just outside of electricity range (still close enough for s.lk, c.mk. c.fp). He can j.hk on the way in, s.lk as he lands, c.mk/c.fp, sweep, or just empty jump and land to bait out an attack from blanka. The options are not quite as nice in reverse with blanka jumping in (in C-groove).

If both are C-groove, I’m going to call it 6-4 for Sagat because he just has better options. He DOESN’T win for free. K-groove blanka is a different story.

Ok I can agree with 6-4, although I don’t know that matchup very well when Blanka’s C groove. I don’t think Sagat’s gonna get any more jump-ins than Blanka will though. Sagat won’t get a chance to do all those things you listed if Blanka AAs him. I would think that would be his main problem againt Blanka actually, getting in on him. But I don’t care, I play K and like you said it’s a different fight, just short jump that fool.