Buffest Sentinel?

System_1 · November 21, 2003, 4:16pm

*Originally posted by StiltMan *
**Okay. Now let’s get past opinions and discuss actual facts and results, shall we?

You are primarily a Magneto player. You can get away with playing Storm/Sent teams (and sometimes I think you’d be better off with them in a lot of matchups, because you’re surprisingly good at runaway), but your Storm is the core of those teams; if your Storm just flat out lays an egg, you’re almost always done.

I have put around half a dozen win streaks on you with Sentinel-centric teams ranging between 10 and 29 in the last two to three months. (Typically either Team Scrub or, more often, BH/Sent/Commando.)

The last time we met I put two different such streaks on you in the same night, one with each of those teams. In the Team Scrub streak there was one particularly ignominous pair of games where in the first game, my Commando got snapped in, you killed both him and Cable with Magneto without hardly getting touched, then my Sentinel came back on your entire (nearly intact) team… followed by my Sentinel OCV’ing you in the very next game, only this time with the rest of my team alive. I don’t believe you have ever done either of those things to me with Sentinel. You’ve gotten OCV’s on me with Magneto before, yeah… but Sentinel? Never.

When we play matchups where you try to break out Team Scrub either against mine or against BH/Sent/Commando, the results are practically always in my favor. I think you’ve won approximately one or two of those games against me in your lifetime.

Is your Sentinel flashier than mine? Well, duh. If we’re going on flash, I’d probably be no higher than fourth on the list myself, and yeah, you’d probably be #1 on that list. But I’m talking about winning here, and on that scale, Jackson and I are pretty easily the two top Sentinels in town. Brian J’s is just as easily #3… he’s good but he doesn’t fend off the rush nearly as well as either Jackson or myself nor does he usually do as well in patience fights with Sentinel; head to head my money would be on either Jackson or myself against Brian in a Sentinel duel. Cable fight, different story… Brian probably has the best Cable in town. But Sentinel fight? Brian’s south of both Jackson and myself there. However, he still dominates everyone else in whole or in part because of his Sentinel, so I can’t in good faith put him below anybody other than Jackson or me.

Take the three of us out, and you’re the best of the rest almost by default. The only other person besides you in town who puts much effort into Sentinel at all is samB. But your Sentinel suffers from a simple problem: you have next to no experience playing teams where he’s the focal point of the game plan. On your main teams, he’s an afterthought third char behind Magneto and Cable, and in fact he’s downright interchangeable with Doom on those teams – i.e. he’s primarily an assist char and on point he’s an afterthought with a lot of training mode time behind him.

You’ve more recently started playing stuff like Storm/Sent/AAA and Mag/IM/Sentinel, where Sentinel is forced to take a more important role… and your success with those teams has generally been considerably south of your Mag/Cable/Sent performance. And again, don’t even get me started on your Team Scrub efforts, where Sentinel not only has a greater role, but he has to start the game, perform a specific job, and then leave specific resources and situations available to Cable after he’s done. You play Team Scrub like you’re not even quite sure what Sentinel’s actually supposed to do on that team, or how he’s supposed to do it without burning all of Cable’s meter in the process.

Conversely, Jackson, Brian, and myself have been playing Sentinel-centric teams for the bulk of the game’s existence. Experience matters a lot in this game. Hell, you wonder why I’ve forgotten more about Sent/BH than basically anybody else on the planet has ever known? Because I’m the only guy on the planet who’s stayed with that team, off and on, since the summer of 2000. It’s more or less the same with Sentinel in general… we’ve been using him as a core part of our game plans for years. You haven’t at all, except for the occasional one-off casual game where you usually lose or a backup team that you rarely stay with for very long. And that’s simply why our Sentinels are better than yours.

Want to prove me wrong? Start practicing up and thinking about what Sentinel has to do differently when he’s in the front instead of in the back. I rate Jackson and myself as the two best Sentinels in town because we’re the two greatest threats to OCV someone with him. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen you OCV anyone with the lugnut. Wanna change my mind? Change the results. I’m just calling it like I see it. Look around. I’m better than you at this game. You’ve never taken a tournament match from me in your life. When someone like me gives you serious advice, don’t take offense, take notes. Hell, I’ve picked Kuan’s brains about Sentinel for much the same reason. And I’ve listened to what he has to say, because I’m wise enough to know when to talk, when to ask, and when to listen to somebody who owns me for pocket change. **

see you at the tourny

fishjie · November 21, 2003, 5:23pm

dude i’m taking careful notes here

when exactly do you call out commando in that combo? after the roundhouse?

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my sentinel is ugly

good thing i can use the broken buttons as an excuse

Rairu · November 21, 2003, 5:32pm

sentinel is tight, but talking about who has the best sentinel in portland is pretty fuckin nasty. sorry, but it is. and my sent/commando sucks. k thx.

StiltMan · November 21, 2003, 8:01pm

Okay. Here’s my challenge for putting your Sentinel through the gauntlet at the tourney. Play a Sentinel-centric team for every match. Not just me if you should happen to run into me, everybody. Something like Sent/Cable/Commando or the like. Start Sentinel every game. See how well you do in the tournament when your Sentinel has to perform and doesn’t have Magneto, Cable, and/or Storm in front of him, and he’s got a specific mission he has to accomplish in order for the team to do well.

We know what happens when I play a Sentinel-centric team in a Portland tourney. I’m usually fairly even money to make the grand finals. We already know that. If you think your Sentinel is the shiznit and mine isn’t, let’s see you do the same thing.

But if you can even get back to the 3rd place you got last time without going away from that, I’ll be shocked. (I’ll forgive you for just getting 4th if Jackson, Brian and myself are all there.)

System_1 · November 21, 2003, 9:01pm

wow! Novel city!

Zigmover21 · November 21, 2003, 9:32pm

Well, usually ya wanna call him when you do lk. But like, then the angle might get funky. This is all really complicated stuff, obviously. Like, not even fuckin Kuan can do this shit yet. I’ve been practicing it for YEARS, and I can get it maybe 30% of the time!!!

Man, once I get this shit down, time to practice that Rocket Punch XXX HSF shit. Then I’ll be YEARS ahead of everybody else!!!:evil:

Edit: Wow, this post is gay.

hairymaster · November 21, 2003, 10:36pm

EVAN! THAT WAS TIGHT! HAHAHA

System_1 · November 22, 2003, 12:34am

*Originally posted by StiltMan *
**

Okay. Here’s my challenge for putting your Sentinel through the gauntlet at the tourney. Play a Sentinel-centric team for every match. Not just me if you should happen to run into me, everybody. Something like Sent/Cable/Commando or the like. Start Sentinel every game. See how well you do in the tournament when your Sentinel has to perform and doesn’t have Magneto, Cable, and/or Storm in front of him, and he’s got a specific mission he has to accomplish in order for the team to do well.

We know what happens when I play a Sentinel-centric team in a Portland tourney. I’m usually fairly even money to make the grand finals. We already know that. If you think your Sentinel is the shiznit and mine isn’t, let’s see you do the same thing.

But if you can even get back to the 3rd place you got last time without going away from that, I’ll be shocked. (I’ll forgive you for just getting 4th if Jackson, Brian and myself are all there.) **

How about this challenge…How about we have a 1v1 sentinel match without any helpers…or how about this??..how about we get some boxing gloves and have a real match??..thas what i thought little btch…keep talkin sht and im gonna bann you from this tourny.

RouletteDares · November 22, 2003, 12:42am

Holy fuck. Drama city.

hairymaster · November 22, 2003, 1:12am

wowzors drama in portland.

StiltMan · November 22, 2003, 1:34am

Um… shit talk? What shit talk? I was making a serious suggestion. If you honestly think your Sentinel’s the best in town, play a Sentinel-centric team and prove it on Sunday. It’s not an unreasonable measuring stick. If you don’t want to play something like Team Scrub and take Magneto away from the lugnut, do something like Team Fiend in Sent/Mag/IM order or the like, where your Sentinel is still on the hook to get things started rather than bringing up the rear. If you’ve really got the best Sentinel in town, that shouldn’t be a problem.

Should it?

(I won’t go into your, um… suggestions, other than to say that I’m rather disappointed that you even went there. :bluu: )

hairymaster · November 22, 2003, 2:20am

stiltman is like 9 feet tall… he could prolly knee someone in the face. beastly.

System_1 · November 22, 2003, 2:42am

first of all, who the hell do you think you are that you can talk to me like a badass and not expect me to respond back the way i did?, 2nd if im gonna take notes, im not gonna take it from you. With your choice of words that clearly states you are my enemy, and Im not gonna take notes from you. 3rd dont think you can talk to me like im a little b*tch cuzz i will get ignorant even if i know better…poof!

System_1 · November 22, 2003, 2:42am

** I remember that show. Used to come on Nickelodeon. That and that Pinwheel show used to be my fave shows back when I was hella young.**

zachdms · November 22, 2003, 2:54am

Plus Alanis Morissette was from You Can’t Do That on Television, so some people have at least heard of the show from that connection. I found an old episode on a video tape a couple months ago, so if anybody wants to borrow it for nostalgic value, y’all can go right ahead.

Screw Sent. The buffest mech in the game is Tron Bonne. +40 damage points in a combo == goodness. Plus she laughs after she assists, and can breakdance. Sent is just dorky-looking.

Frankly, I’m most afraid of Trinh and Up’s stompdown. Most everyone else around here tends to leave holes which I’m slowly learning how to take advantage of.

But… Harry Potter’s Sent combos were great, but I think Drew Dub’s Sent was more solid between those two. How do you judge this? Does unblockable hitting count? Cuz that right there can nastily change the game quickly.

HuStLeMaN17 · November 22, 2003, 3:08am

Yea I think that Harry potter’s sent is really good, he’s def got the combos and unblockables down cold.

Mix_Masta_Drew_Dub · November 22, 2003, 5:04am

My sent beat his twice!!! WOOOOOOO. Storm comeback owns me…

samB · November 22, 2003, 11:38am

WOW, whats with all this shi talkin after me saying my little list,
imma make a buffest storm or cable thread, stomrs the only beastly char i got.
my cable. avg/HVB
my mag. avg/crazy
my sent avg/unblockables
my storm ahhh beast

man this coming touney has/had alot of shittaliking. imma use the best team in the game servebot/???/doom.

and tron is tha best but basic mech in the game, the tite thing bout that biTCHS assist, “AH HA HA HA” an the damage

System_1 · November 22, 2003, 12:50pm

ALL of this 4 SENTINAL damn. okay “throws 2 pennies” stilt i think you r feeling yourself and your skills a little 2 much. When ever a marvel conver sation would come up last time we went up 2 seattle, first words that would come is " me and jackson ". i respect your skills in marvel over all but u don’t “and i repeat you” have a better sentinal then ninja. overall i saw you guys run about even and you both have specital’s. All in All its just Sentinal.:rolleyes:

System_1 · November 22, 2003, 1:26pm

Oh, the drama…