Hmm…I’ve tried messing with a setup similar to Ageojoe…
Thor with Rocket Raccoon log trap assist can actually cover him fairly well with mighty strike to get across the screen and during flight mode it’s a good way to surprise the opponent while dashing around in the air if Shuma assist is too slow.
Shuma lacks DHC synergy and mystic ray is tough to convert off of. Thor/log is a very good pairing, I’ve been running it a long time. Prove me wrong, I hope you do honestly because I like shuma a lot, but thor and him aren’t gonna be a great pairing in the long run.
Serp if Thor/Morrigan are good together, then tell us why.
I was actually deliberating on a Phoenix team for Thor and Thor/Doom/Phoenix crossed my mind. I wasn’t 100% on what assists I should be using. What do you suggest? Spark Missiles Overdrive?
You’re on some hardcore drugs if you really believe that Thor/Morrigan & Thor/Phoenix are ass early snapping doesn’t guarantee anything
the big thing for making Thor/Phoenix work is how you approach the team with Dr Doom, its either plasma beam or rocks cause thor/missiles lose to some stuff, pick missiles only if the other point character is too mid tier and you are confident with the matchup; rocks gives Thor some extra extensions but plasma beam is better overall in neutral game against most characters. Either way, you will have to work on your Thor resets and your Doom TACs cause thats what the team will be doing to charge 5 meters
I suggest picking mighty spark for Thor assist cause even if plasma beam is a better beam assist, spark is better for combo extensions (fixed damage output and fixed hitstun), so it can be used in certain escenarios over plasma beam, and dr doom likes spark in neutral game much more than mighty smash. My opinion is that its a great team (composed of top 15-20 characters with good synergy) but need great knowledge and execution of the three characters, much like Magneto/Doom/Phoenix, and remember that Phoenix > Dr Doom = Thor is how important the characters are (much like Phoenix > Dr Doom = Magneto). I guess mighty speech is an important part of this team too, but you gotta know when to pick your charge times. BTW I was considering running Thor/Strange(bolts)/Phoenix to train Phoenix cause i like her as a character and i have got so consistent with FOFs loops and Dr Strange TACs but unfortunately i dedicated all my sub-team time the last 4 months to Firebrand/Dr Strange/Amaterasu
I see that people in the thor thread still think thor is bottom tier lol saying that thor/morri or thor/phoenix are not good cause thor will always die and trying to pair thor in dream low tier teams, get better with thor then talk peoples thor is easily top 20 point and top 20 support
Bare in mind I am TERRIBLE at this game and still very new but I have ideas buzzing in my head I want to try.
Shuma for me has been good for combatting Doom assist users since the ray actually hit’s the missiles well above the screen ontop of potentially catching Doom and the point character.
As for stuff off of Mystic ray I’ll often charge up Mighty Smash or mighty strike when it’s being called out to act as cover if I screw up or to combo the opponent if it stops what they were trying to punish Thor with. It’s a decent OTG too for Thor to get some extra damage for kills against characters with higher health (i do need to work on it more tho.) I have also tried using flight mode + mystic ray so that I can air dash in on the opponent when it hits so that I can get a tick throw opportunity for Mighty Hurricane.
I am definately liking Rocky log too and mighty try it out with some other characters aside from Shuma. I tend to play slow heavy hitters or rushdown characters in fighting games so picking up Rocky is a little awkward since he’s neither a keepaway nor a rush down character, he’s capable of being very annoying though and I’ve found him to work surprisingly well against Teleport characters like Vergil and Dark Phoenix because of his various traps covering him :V if anything he reminds me of a rather tiny and better version of Lex Luthor from Injustice (my main), neither a rush down character nor a zoner but can annoy opponents and uses a wide variety of trap setups.
Why is it bad? I actually think Shuma is a top support character with Mystic Ray and can’t see how it isn’t one of Thor’s best assists with the ground it covers and it’s utility as a lockdown beam as well as being an OTG. His ball hyper is a decent DHC with nice damage, pushback and is safe on block. Other than the startup of Mystic Ray, what makes it worse than plasma beam or bolts?
Also, I run Thor/Dorm/Doom and my friend mops me with that Hulk team. Granted he’s much better than me, but it’s still really difficult. I doubt he’d lose to a Thor team; he’s beaten Abegen (though I don’t think his Thor is that great) every time they play, both tournament and casuals. If you feel that confident about the MU, I’d like to see you fight him so I can learn how to approach it.
This is a combo/tech video we made with the Hulk team. I’m currently experimenting to see how much of it can apply to Thor.
dorm/missiles alone make all that team irrelevant, and Thor has like a 6-4 or 7-3 matchup with Hulk and probably better matchup with Shuma and Haggar. If you are losing to that *** team you gotta practice more
That team’s rushdown is really strong, and assists get blown up easily. Thor’s air mobility gets gimped by Mystic Ray and Haggar makes pressuring very hard. The team also has a dangerous opening 50/50 that you MUST respect and block. If it hits, then he either 1 touches Thor or snaps in Doom to make the team useless. How would I open up that team with Thor/Dorm/Doom?
I’d really like to see you fight this guy. Even though I strongly doubt you could win a set (no offense), it would still be good to see a better T/D/D approach the matchup. Do you have any match vids at all against any of those chars using T/D/D? It’d be good for reference; it’s hard finding good Thor play, especially with someone playing my team.
I wouldn’t just win a set, it would be free. I have a lot of experience in that matchup with real Hulk teams/players (Hulk/Sent/Dante, etc) with both thormammu doom and thor/strange/ammy. I dont have footage or anything (there is one online troll video of some online Hulk scrub though lol), just take in mind that spark M > hulk armors and is confirmable into cr.H, strike M either trade or beat hulk armors, move Thor around the field faster than Hulk and wait for your chance to hit, mighty punish on reaction beat gamma charge, etc and dorm will do the rest for the team when you get DHC momentum, if Hulk die and you can put Dorm out with stalking flare + spells its over. If you can’t move thor ok around the field hulk/haggar will look better than thor though
Do you play on XBL? If you don’t mind, I’d like to see if I can try and get something set up. He’s definitely a real Hulk player and beats a lot of top guys when he travels. Hulk/Shuma/Haggar is a new team he’s playing. He used to run Hulk/Sent/Haggar and always did very well.
sure i would like to, my gold membership GT is serpentaurus… but currently my xbox is 3 RROD’d >_> trying to make some extra money the rest of 2013 to get a new xbox, upgrade my gaming stuff, etc… whenever im available i will let you know
Ok, cool. I’m gonna keep refining Thor/Shuma. I think there’s merit to the team and I’m learning Shuma anyway just so he can be a plug and play support character for me, sorta like Doom. Need to find an anchor for em, though. I’ve always liked Thor’s synergy with Ammy so I may give that a shot.
HI guys. I was hoping after lurking for so long if i could get some opinions about a few characters as the third member of my team.
I’ve been running Thor since Vanilla on a dare from my best friend who thought he was ass (now he hates him) and i’ve had Ammy for a teammate for almost as long. But man for the life of me i can’t decide on a third. I’ve switched so many times it’s ridiculous. I feel like i might be thinking about it too hard.
I definietly wanna run Thor point and here’s who i’ve got narrowed down in mind for either second or third spot.
I was also kickin around Iron Man and Hulk but due to assists and potential DHC problems i’m not lookin too hard at them.
Any opinions or info to finally help me lock down a team would be way past cool.
edit: Also from what i’ve been reading it seems like either Strange or Dorm is the way to go. But with Strange i’m worried about not being able to ToD which seems important for Thor, and with Dorm i’m not sure which assist would really help neutral or getting in if i’ve already got Cold Star.
Like i said i feel like i’m thinkin too hard about it.
Thor/Strange/Ammy always TOD, you just have to work on your execution and knowledge of the team. I dont recommend Thor/Dorm/Ammy cause any beam assist will make Thor and Ammy twice the threat that they are (unlike Dorm who is just there to get in safely with DHC), so its Strange, Doom or Ironman for second, heavily favored toward Strange and Doom for their extreme synergy with Amaterasu
Appreciate it man. I was leanin toward Strange. I see how Thor/Strange have synergy, I gotta figure out Strange/Ammy synergy since I don’t know enough about Strange to theory it out. But I’m definitely excited to start practicing with a whole team now that feels complete AND is built around Thor.
Abegen plays a Tron team his Thor is getting better but it isn’t anything to be concerned about at least not right now
Trying playing with Dorm on point? He can cover more of the screen quicker in nuetral and deal with Shuma assist.Purification+Missiles against Super Jump+Mystic Ray is in your favor. You just have to approach differently.
No basis. If he keeps playing Thor he has no choice but to get better. Even though I don’t seen it happening immediately. I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt
Abegen thor has definately improved. Its still the weakness part of his team. His play at shadowloo showdown was definitely an improvement from the play I’ve seen a few months ago.
Yo Serp. I saw you in a winners final and gf set with Anderson and xian. And i saw u rocking liberation assist on dorm. You didn’t get to use it much, things generally we t in ur favor. Wanted to know what your thoughts/game plan behind that was, like what spells you would have like to have loaded.
Liberation is a good anti-comeback assist, if Dorm is winning with momentum you can charge 2D1C then go back to the point character and you will have a strong tool to deal with ouroboros strider, dark phoenix, xf3 vergil, vale of mist ammy, etc, and dorm can use it as a crossover assist counter then continue the combo with thor mighty spark. Thor can also confirm the hard knockdown of 2DC1 with no-charged smash H then XFC and continue the combo. Against front loaded teams its better to use dark hole though, Thor + Dark hole is actually a decent pressure combination and will lead thor to more situations where he has the clear advantage, but in tournament i feel like Dorm is very important and using him as assist expose him too much in certain matchups; i played a FT20 the other day against my friend Captain America/Vergil/Strider with Thor(spark)/Dormammu(dark hole)/Doom(missiles) and beat him 20-0 lol no liberation for anti-comeback was needed but in tournament liberation can turn the tide in your favor