Brother, You're Needed - Ultimate Thor Team Building Thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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Double posting for the cause.

Anyway, I’ve been doing more work with Thor/Dorm/Doom in practice mode. From what I can tell, the 1D1C followup off of Stalking Flare is only possible if the DHC came from a SSS Tornado. It leaves you at a good height for it. Just a normal launch into H xx Spark xx Tornado leaves you a bit too high for the meteors to hit, but by that time, you can just teleport up and slam them back down.

I’ve been working more with the Spark relaunches, and I’m gonna mark every possible part where some kind of MH resets are possible. First to notate the actual combo again.

c.L, c.H, s.S, j.M, j.H xx L Spark (2 hits), ADD j.H, s.S, j.M, j.H xx L Spark (2 hits), ADD j.H, [s.S, j.H xx L Spark xx Tornado] (midscreen) or [M MSmash, move forward and call Purification, SSS Tornado] (corner).

Now I will Bold the points where you can do possible resets.

c.L, c.H, s.S, j.M, j.H xx L Spark (2 hits), ADD j.H, s.S, j.M, j.H xx L Spark (2 hits), ADD j.H, [s.S,** j.H** xx **L Spark** xx Tornado] (midscreen) or [M MSmash, move forward and call Purification, SSS Tornado] (corner).

For the Sparks, it’s the usual, instead of having them hit twice, get the full hits, ADUF or ADU (depending on screen positioning and your guess) and MH, you know, the basic Spark reset we’ve had for a while.

Now, for every normal that I put under bold, you can replace it with a j.L instead and get your MH reset. Now, the later in the combo you do it, the more effective as they flip out much sooner. Do it earlier, the hitstun will last longer giving the opponent more time to react, but the earlier options are there if you feel you need it.

Lastly, the MSmash, you can either do the j.L reset afterwards, or you can launch and j.L. Most people don’t know Thor so they won’t realize he can’t do jack shit for combos after the MSmash, so they won’t see it coming. I’d still only do this one if you’re feeling yourself though.

Point is though is that by using the Spark relaunches, you gain a lot of points to where you can go for a reset if needed. If you’re using Dorm in the back though, you probably won’t need the reset unless you just don’t want to burn the meter. It helps to have the options though.

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Very good write up. I still haven’t put the time into learning the Spark relaunches, but with how flexible it is, it’s looking more and more like it should be the standard.

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Spark Relaunches should only be the standard if you have someone like Dorm in the back that allows DHCs from Mighty Tornado anywhere. The basic FC H Smash relaunch still has much more corner carry, which is where you’d need the opponent if not running a defensive Thor.

It’s really up to the user, the damage for Spark Relaunches isn’t that much different from the usual. Just more flexible but a lot easier to drop as well since every different character forces Thor to change up the wait time to get the correct Spark hit. The tried and true H Smash relaunch is a lot more reliable to hit, but obviously doesn’t leave much room for anything else.

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Spark L relaunch’s are good but they cannot be the standard, because:

  • small characters can drop if the timing is not precise midscreen, big characters drop. From my research you have to use j.H or j.MH according to the character size
  • they add more hitstun than the regular j.MMH delay j.S, land, charged smash H, s.S; ammy coldstar for example wont allow the SSS after of one relaunch
  • Thor bffs already have OTGs so why should he take execution risks? specially when his hitconfirms are not easy and he has to kill out of one touch without taking risks
  • they dont add damage at all to the regular combo i mentioned

The reset part is interesting because out of all the Thor resets i think spark L resets are among the most viable… still a good research Saitsu, i think they can be good but right now i dont think its worth taking the risk… now, those s.S cancelled into charged Strike H combos got me interested…

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If Dorm’s Purification was faster, there’d be absolutely no reason to use the Spark Relaunches at all.

And lose your interest in the s.S xx FC Strike H combos. Only work on big characters and only in the corner.

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I use purification for my SSS ender. I either use a different lock down assist ad well, or I pick another otg if I feel I’m gonna want to use pillars as a way to cover my neutral game

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When it comes to the martial artist fighters in the game what do you guys think is the best choice for Thor? Chun Li, Ryu, Iron Fist, Akuma? What do you think guys??

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Akuma or Iron Fist…Akuma for his Tatsu lockdown assist and Iron Fist for either his Crescent heel (which OTGs for combo extension) or Rising Fang for a get off me assist. Personally I don’t think Thor needs the get off me assist that much, since you are going to be flying around most of the time.

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Just as a random thought, I was trying to come up with the best “in your face” Thor team. More or less came out of a comment from the tier thread (lots of good laughs in there by the way) that Thor doesn’t have good tri-dash pressure.

So I’m thinking Thor/Ammy/Akuma

Tatsu works for establishing momentum by not only shutting down a lot of what the opponent wants to do, but also covering enough of the horizontal plane for Thor to get going. Up close, it can be used for lock down, allowing for some good left/rights and tick grab set ups, and far away, while not going full screen, it does do well to fend off starting pressure from the opponent because of it nullifying projectiles. You could think of it as an assisted Mighty Strike that starts up faster.

And we all know the benefits Ammy provides to Thor. Best lock down up close for tri dash pressure, and in the corner, you get your SSS ender, along with two good DHCs to boot. Going from any Thor combo into Ammy is great, and because of the last hit of Okami, it’s real easy to DHC into Akuma as well, so you have your team TODs.

Like I said, the idea is to apply pressure with the team more so than establish a defensive zoning strategy. The goal in mind is to keep inching the opponent into the corner until you can just let loose with the high damage, resets, and oki.

The team has a good amount of flexibility as far as construction goes. Spark can aid Ammy and Akuma because any beam is a good tool for getting in, and with it having a high hit box, opponents’ll be inclined to crouch it allowing for some pretty easy overhead confirms from both. Cold Star is good for helping both Akuma and Thor with the lock down thing. It allows both characters to run the mix up game up close, and Tatsu is good for just running in, pushing back, and locking down.

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Problem is i dont think Thor can hitconfirm out of a raw tatsu all the time because his forward wavedash is bad. And your goal with Thor should not be pushing back characters, its more like getting close with momentum so that you can command grab or mixup. Moons used to run an Taskmaster Akuma Ammy team and he failed u.u , he’s doing much better since he started running Nova Task Ammy. One underrated team for Thor is Thor (smash M) <-> Morrigan (dark harmonizer) / Doom (missiles), i think this team has a lot of tech too.

That tier list thread is so terrible, many “elitists” and people who wouldnt handle the matchup with a good Thor 'cause they know nothing…

How good would be the team Dante / Thor or Thor / XX / Dante? i dont like the Sparda twins but i think he could have some untapped synergy with Thor.

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While it is a bad thread, do you honestly blame them for knowing nothing about Thor? As Thor players, it’s our responsibility to show what he’s worth, and yet there’s a grand total of two doing anything with him and both players do not play an optimized Thor or Thor team. You want people to stop hating on Thor? Show them and give them a reason not to. Sitting here just talking about his tools doesn’t do jack shit and is a waste of time for all parties involved.

As for a Dante/Thor team…idk. The DHC synergy isn’t anything spectacular…actually, it’s pretty bad for the most part, so Dante has to be the anchor, and he’s not that good of an anchor. You could run any of Dante’s three assists as they all work decently for Thor.

If you like Dante, go for it and figure it out. If you don’t, don’t bother trying at all.

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Well my Thor gets a lot of respect in my country, i wont travel to USA to show anyone how good he can be.

I think Thor / XX / Dante can have some synergy

  1. Jam session makes hurricane resets safe
  2. maybe he can follow up with a hard tag after of a mighty smash M(?)
  3. allows the SSS i think
  4. THC into XF is crazy lockdown

I dont like Dante, but DJ was talking about the best possible Thor teams >_>

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Going back to the Morrigan Thor Doom team, i think ChrisG would do better if he played that team. Smash assist is similar to Tatsu, Thor in the second position can solve Morrigan low damage output problem, and Morrigan with Thor has lots of soul drain setups. They have good synergy.

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Well good for your country. Blame still goes to most Thor players not showing what he can do, and I’ll take some of that blame myself. Lack of stream, youtube, lack of shown matches period do not help anything. It doesn’t help that right now, both Jill and Shuma have more shown representation than Thor does.

And if there’s a true best possible Thor team, Dante is not a part of it I guarantee. Jam Session doesn’t stay out long enough to allow the SSS. Jam Session could make Hurricane resets safe but best case scenario for Thor is that he doesn’t have to use any resets to begin with, they’re only for when you’re feeling yourself or Thor doesn’t have any good DHC options and doesn’t (or can’t) Thornado Loop. Following up with a Hard Tag is nice, but only off of throws. After Smash, he gets at best Cold Shower xx Stinger (BC Teleport), Hammer, Beehive xx Million Dollars. Just slightly more damage than you’d get normally with a bit more meter. And THC into XF…woo, Ammy can do it too for us and she fits a lot better with Thor.

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You guys need to stop bringing up and championing Thor ever 5 seconds over there on the tier thread list, its getting repetitive :stuck_out_tongue:

As has been said DO something instead to back the talk up. Haha.

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We need to make it out to more majors and streams, really make sure that we’re showing the Odinson off the best we can.

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Once my financial situation is taken care of, I WILL be at a good amount of NYC/Philly Majors.

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All of Dante’s assists offer Thor something. If I actually liked him as a character then Dante would be a great partner. (Can’t seem to let go of Strider, lol) There’s an otg assist, a pseudo-lock down assist and one that (as someone side) makes it easier to land air hurricanes. Plus after Mighty Punish you get Devil Trigger. Dante’s pretty dominant on point too. I would probably just pick a projectile assist you’re comfortable with or a low hitting assist for the stake of a chance at an unblockable set up for Dante. With Vergil, he has two supers for combo-ability after Punish. If Thor gets bnb in the corner, tap assist (Rapid Slash) right before H mighty smash and it lets you SSS because the slashes are on screen when the smash picks them up. If you chose to play Thor/Vergil I suggest some kind of lockdown assist but that’s it. On damage alone, a decent Vergil combo after Punish should result in a dead character for about 2 bars. Just like Dante, Vergil probably would need another projectile assist is you set Thor to spark.

I think Thor’s just a solid mid…in the hands of a smart player. So the tier listings are kinda skewed. If Thor’s not getting respected then it’s up to the players. I’ve been VERY busy so I can relate to Saitsu but fighting over who the best Thor player is doesn’t do anything for anybody who comes to the forums.

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So I’ve been trying to run Thor on my new Phoenix team. I think I want him in the 2nd position, because his start of the round gimmicks are not very strong. Who should I run on point? This team is most likely TAC focused because Thor eventually needs to be on point. Btw doom seems like a lot of Derp to me, is there anybody besides doom that I could rock with?

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I’d say either Nova or Magneto if you’re looking for a strong start of round guy. Nova and Magneto are great for a Phoenix team anyway with how good their resets and TACs are.

If your team is supposed to force Thor to be on point ultimately, then you’re gonna need to have someone who’d give Thor a beneficial assist. Doom is definitely a good one for it. Sentinel’s good for support too. Maybe Taskmaster. Yeah, overall, I’d say Taskmaster is the guy you’re looking for. Good start of round guy, gives Thor the assist he needs, can get some good pressure going and good for getting that hit you want to convert into a TAC.