Take a look at the youtube video I put up recently in the video thread, it only covers a few TAC combos, but also shows some DHC options between the two.
can Thor get much of tatsu ?
It’s a lock down assist with good get off me properties. Good for neutral use, since it nullifies projectiles and forces the opponent to block, so if you’re playing a heavy rush down based Thor team, then you could use it as a more aggressive beam assist that doesn’t go full screen. I’mma go test out some combo possibilities with it later on today and see what I come up with. You might be able to get a SSS ender from it. Not sure yet.
Whats your idea behind using Purification?
You already have an OTG assist in Hidden Missiles and Purification comes out too slow to be a get off me assist.
So after about forty minutes in the lab, Akuma’s Tatsu is good enough for Thor to start his pressure and continuously apply his pressure. Probably ups his start of round game too with how prioritizing it is. Anyway, Tatsu + addf into jump loop works for starting off combos. Really ups his pressure game in the corner as he can easily set up ticks for Hurricane grabs, and mid screen he gets some good left/rights into grab mixups. If someone wanted to make Akuma and Thor work, it’s definitely doable. Can’t think of any combo extensions to try out for it, but Tatsu is so good for neutral, I doubt you’ll have it available for combos anyway. Resets mos def, but not combos.
Doesn’t have any DHC synergy with Mighty Tornado, which is a big minus as all of Thor’s damaging combos end with it. Mighty Thunder is pitiful unless it carries all the way. What that basically means is you don’t want him running second behind Thor.
As for some good Thor/x/Akuma teams, I can think of someone like Dormammu, Strange, Doom–pretty much any character of the usual suspects for second slots behind Thor.
As i said, Doom already covers all of Thor needs with hidden misiles so you dont really need another assist… Purification main purpose is to extend combos. After of a mighty smash M it works great and allow the SSS setup (lol i used the acronym), both in the corner and midscreen. purification second purpose is as an antiair when thor reach superjump range through regular neutral jump, airdash up, fly. Characters like Zero, Firebrand, etc hate the purification assist at that height, you basically cast a wall that eats projectiles and pokes. So basically Thor + purification + missiles is a team designed to fight at SJ height, where teams like Thor Bolts of balthak coldstar or Thor plasma beam coldstar fail (zero + jam session can be a bad matchup for those teams for example). you can hitconfirm a purification with fully charged strikes in the air if you hit from the ground, and also put up some weird crossup, guard break setups on incoming characters. But Dorm main purpose in the team is to kill with DHC and zone later with dark spells + missiles lol. Think of it like FChamp Magneto Dorm (liberation) Doom (missiles) team, i’m convinced Thor has more synergy with those characters, its just that Mags is faster and overall a better character than Thor.
for another insight, lets see what you get out of any order:
Thor (mighty spark), Dorm (purification), Doom (missiles)
Thor, Purification, Missiles: Missiles to zone, chip or to get in with mixups, purification to extend combos. Dormammu DHC is wayyyyy better than Doom DHC thats why he’s the second character. Supposedly people have to snap in the problematic character, who is that problematic character here, Doom or Dormammu? i dont really know… Its more easy to determine in the Thor Strange Ammy team (Ammy of course)
Dorm, Mighty Spark, Missiles: you get a AAA zoning team if you have the momentum. Dorm can extend combos with mighty spark and missiles midscreen.
Doom, Purification, Mighty spark: Doom + lockdown beam assist is nuts.
Thor (mighty spark), Dorm (purification), Doom (plasma beam): Thor can hitconfirm plasma beams with j.Strike M and kill with a DHC. This team is super solid in the ground.
Dorm, mighty spark, plasma beam: you get a good zoning team with dorm teleports + plasma beam mixups. mighty spark helps more in combo extensions and should be a better option than Mighty Smash. Mighty smash + flame carpet works weird…
Thanks for the insight serpantaurus
Wouldn’t Thor best be suited at point for battery purposes?
So then that leaves Dorm at second for good DHC, and Doom last for hidden missiles as the best option.
much respect
my original team was magneto/trish/akuma
but Thor is just so much fun and I’m really bored of trish
will report some more findings and prob some footage when i get back from my mums
There’s more you can do I’m sure.
For one, if you have Dorm Purification assist, you don’t need to waste Missiles (which preferably would be used in neutral) if you want the SSS. Secondly, with Purfication, that Spark relaunch combo we brush upon every so often? Actually has a use now.
I know for messing around a bit that c.L, c.H, S, wait j.M, j.H xx L Spark, ADD j.H, s.S, wait j.M, j.H xx L Spark, ADD j.H, M Mighty Smash, walk a bit forward + call Dorm, SSS xx Tornado DHC Stalking Flare. That reaches about a Million free, and I’m sure the 1D1C followup after Flare works (I haven’t gotten it down yet) like you would for the Mag/Dorm combo which would lead into call Thor Spark (Smash works here too I believe if you want that assist instead)., Flame Carpet, f.H, L Dark Hole xx Chaotic Flame. Honestly, most if not all characters will die before you even get to that last part.
Then of course, you don’t even need the Purification (you just won’t get the SSS), c.L, c.H, S, wait j.M, j.H xx L Spark, ADD j.H, s.S, wait j.M, j.H xx L Spark, ADD j.H, s.S, j.H xx L Spark xx Tornado DHC Stalking Flare probably does a pretty penny and followups for that should be easier (you’ll be higher than for SSS). Don’t know the damage though.
Serp, don’t be afraid to use the acronym. It’s there to make all our lives easier, especially for someone like you who likes to write up big posts.
Also Thor/Dorm/Doom plays a bit differently than Mag/Dorm/Doom. I personally think you should just play more passively with the Thor version. You have the health, damage and options that allows you to sit on whatever you want all day, Magneto is usually a bit more proactive with movement and offense (which is no surprise since he has the superior movement and offense). Without TAC’s, Mags usually just takes the eventual hit he gets and uses it to start offense and just get his mixups ready and such. Thor, any hit he gets will turn into death thanks to Dorm in the back. It allows you to not have to be as active. It’s also a better team for longer sets and such. With the way it plays and how passive you can be, you can download your opponent’s offense pretty well early, and you’re not giving away anything special in your offense. And when people start snapping in Dorm (the most likely suspect), Thor/Doom runs well enough on its own, just have to adjust your combos a slight bit. But this team plays to Thor’s strengths and gives him a true niche in high-level play.
just a small question. Anyone play Thor on a pad?
I’ve been thinking about switching to pad, cos I hate carrying a big bulk stick around and my old stick is pretty much worn out (had it since vanilla SF4).
Saitsu that double spark L relaunch combo is so sick, the smash M part is hard to do actually, the link is tight; i will use a missiles version with spark L triple relaunch for my vid which is even more sick. And yeah, Dorm spells synergy with Thor is the best you can probably get.
I do, and it works. All about preference.
any pad in particular? i was thinking about buying the SFxT pad.
Just the Playstation pad.
Hmm…I never thought the Smash M part was that hard. Only times I ever struggle with it is when the actual Smash doesn’t come out. Maybe it’s just because I’m used to the link I guess.
Best part about the Spark Relaunches though is that it can lead to resets at a couple of opportunities.
how much damage does that spark combo do vs other combos thor is capable of?
Ive been playing round in the lab with my viper thor duo i really like the both of them together, thor in 2nd viper on point. Ive ran a couple variants, so far being anchors strider vergil and ironman. I think ironman is really good for thor and viper, setting up guaranteed unblockables extending vipers combos too their limits for borderline meterless kills and with thor although in the corner only it puts his damage output to 1m with both assists
[media=youtube]OYmIPmnka2s[/media] made vid a while ago showing some of what it could do
with the ironman team i got basically high damage and very weak neutral game which is all basically working of 3 decent characters synergy the main problem i had was when the games bullshit touched you everything goes to shit. losing viper basically leaves thor pretty fucked or at least in a very unfavourable position i found with repulsor assist alone thor was a sitting duck i against alot of missiles/magneto/dormamu/zoning variants which just toyed with thor and eventually he would do die from chip or being clunky and id have ironman anchor lolz. Now im under the belief this is a very strong team once it gets going like every team in marvel pretty much lol but i cant seem to think of a quick fix for this teams gaping holes.
I tried vergil anchor also because i basically came to the conclusion that im lacking the power of herp derp xfactor level 3, when i went to work with the rapid slash assist i found that it had some issues with thor being that depending on whether he was in devil trigger or not there would be different combos as SSSmash doesnt work with the powered up version. I found rapid slash great as an assist but i just found it wasnt good for competing against beams although against hagggar etc it really let him him bully them till they changed their tactics but contrasting to the ironman team i lost unblockables for a somewhat better neutral game and a nice derpy anchor but i soon realized thor couldnt really capitilze much of it when viper died and still the zoning teams were just superior dormamu’s forward H, disruptor, missiles and the like are just overpowering which was a real downer.
Went on next to try strider now at first this seemed stupid but it had some success i think if thor had a reasonable otg he could combo off this assist would be really good but i found that good players easily evaded it and most characters were very mobile so vajra barely did its job, as a combo extender it took me a few hours to work some stuff out with viper/strider but i managed to get multiple charged strikes together some very strong midscreen combos for thor. Buut strider being a meat sack of a character is a liability at times trying to cover him at times feels impossible and usually when i did i found him being a casualty to what ever crap was on the screen.
I mucked around with dante too to see what i could get got some nice stuff but at this point i keep coming back to the point that im really worried about is what ever combination i can come up with i have always got a sub par neutral game, maybe im exagerrating but it doesnt seem to pay out rewards. I havent been playing thor long so that may be the culprit but posting this up to get some insight from other players I feel with team building its very difficult to make something respectable without gaping holes left right maybe theres something im missing would be perfect if i could get unblockables,good damage, mighty grab followups good neutral game and 101 other things in 3 characters but i cant seem to work it out im thinking im placing emphasis on the wrong things when team building or maybe this is as good as it gets…BUT im dunno lol hopefully i havent ranted/rambled much and my findings can be useful for anyone trying out those chars but if you guys with better understanding can help me out id be really happy!
Saitsu runs Viper Thor Amaterasu, it works
i found it lacking in spots when i gave it the first shot being doing combos in certain spots, after a throw and midscreen became quite situational but yeah if saitsu can give some help ill wait till he posts then
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