I really want Walt to “kill him”. In an act of somewhat redemption for his friend and adoptive son; he’ll get Jessie on the ropes then “kill him” but secretly have a heart to heart (or as close to a heart to heart you can get on BB) and give him a new life as a new person.
Implying Flyn isn’t dealing drugs and his parents don’t know yet
jesse will probably SOMEHOW manage to kill todd or something lol
I like to think jesse won’t die at all 
Finally finished this episode.
Confirmed. Marie would get it. All the time.
Lasagna, bitches! :tup:
I wouldn’t write off Jesse so quickly.
marie is probably super frekay in bed. does A2M on the regular :tup:
Turns out the girlfriend recorded it for me, so I got a chance to watch that shit. While it was a pretty slow episode, I wouldn’t say it was ‘worse’ than the other ones. The final meeting was great and the anxiety Jesse experienced walking up was fucking intense. The skinhead lookin’ dude waiting for the girl was hilarious to boot.
@Goodie Where the fuck you pull that wanna-be Shaft Agent shit from? Cameras can’t capture understated feminine bad assitude. :tup:
Alot of people didn’t like this episode, can’t say I agree with them. This episode was just what we needed after the last few episodes that preceded it. We needed something to slow things down, put all the chess pieces in place, and give us that final breather before the final four. And we even got some significant character development during it all.
But I guess it’s just not up to the usual series’ standard for some people, and I can respect that
Jesse’s a smart guy. Honestly, there are only two ways that Jesse doesn’t match Walt: 1, Walt is obviously more educated, and 2, Walt is much better at solving problems on the fly. By that, I mean that Walt is a terrible long-form strategist, and even though he often pushes people’s buttons to get them to do what he wants, he’s bad at reading people and clumsy about manipulating them. How many times have people given one of his obviously bullshit cover stories the benefit of the doubt because for decades they’ve been used to thinking of him as husband, father, and/or schoolteacher?
So far, I think the only one of Walt’s successful plans that required playing more than one move ahead was the ricin cigarette thing. And Jesse’s about to show us some long-form planning of his own. What does he mean by getting Walt where he really lives? Is Walt’s whole monologue about the “empire-building business” coming back around?
And that’s the saddest thing of all: no matter how good Jesse is, it doesn’t really matter, because nobody’s going to care or recognize him for it. His only ally right now, Hank, is as single-minded as Sherlock Holmes. The only person who genuinely gives a shit about Jesse–and the only person he’ll never buy it from again–is Walt.
Man, it’s such a fucked-up interpersonal dynamic. Jesse and Walt. Maybe the most dysfunctional father-son relationship in the history of TV. Of everything about this show, I’m starting to think that this element will be the most enduring in history.
Anyway, lots of nice little touches in this ep. The way the weather stripping on the back patio door squeaked as Walt tried to open it quietly. The way the swimming pool looked like Walt’s meth dripping mechanism. The way Marie so meticulously recites the details of the poisons she looks up that you really believe she could never use them.
The next episode is gonna be really interesting. Its going to focus on Lydia
OH YO LEGS :yipes:
Very hilarious and dark episode. Like that Mexican restaurant scene except the whole hour.
The ending though. When I heard those bells I thought to myself “Please don’t let BB end like Death Note!” :mad:
i.e. Walt goin’ in machine gun-a-blazing only to be mortally gunned down himself, until finally dying from cancer. Equivalent to Light except he died from a heart attack…
Also, what was on that DVD in Jeese’s Saul-san’s car that Walt got? Couldn’t been Jesse’s story as that was after Hank talked him down…
EDIT: NEVER MIND LOL.
Ah, Laura Fraser. My sweetheart. My muse.
Time for some inebriated rambling.
The more I think about it, the more I think I’ve had Walt figured wrong all along, and I’ve had moments like this before when I’ve reevaluated my approach to his character.
All along, the question being asked among viewers is, how far along is Walt? Assuming he started out as a meek schoolteacher and is on his way to becoming the fully-fledged, fully evil Heisenberg, how far through the process has he gotten? Is he at the end yet? Are there crucial steps left to be completed? There are even some people who still insist (most certainly in the wrong) that he’s exactly what he started out as–the quiet-living family man who was put in a tough position and has done what he needs to in order to survive.
For a while, I was under the assumption that Walt is Heisenberg and has been for some time now. As my line of demarcation, I picked the first obviously evil thing he ever did, which was when Jane died in front of him and he did nothing to stop it. But then doubt crept in. Why did Walt break bad in the first place? People with families and limited income get cancer all the time. It sucks, but it happens. Very few of them become violent druglords. Viewing his progression from Walt to Heisenberg as a simple progression of evil acts somewhat misses the ring.
So then I started figuring that maybe Walt had been Heisenberg all along. My pet theory was that the real Walter White is the guy from the flashbacks during season one: a voracious student of chemistry, flush with insight and dynamic energy, behaving as though the world was at his fingertips. That’s the real Walter White. At some point, he wrapped himself in a chrysalis–the self-protective shell of a meek schoolteacher and family man. With this new risk-free schoolteacher/family man persona, Walt isolated himself against whatever might have harmed him in his former life as a brilliant chemist. The schoolteacher is not his identity. It’s merely a self-preservation strategy–a chrysalis, allowing him to sleep undisturbed while the big, scary world rages around him.
Viewed in those terms, his transition during the TV series has nothing to do with transforming from one identity into another. By the beginning of the series, the young and brilliant chemist had already been transforming for years inside his cocoon. When we first see him, Heisenberg is already fully formed inside the shell–and the show is not about changing into Heisenberg, so much as the already-present Heisenberg casting off pieces of the shell. Walter White was already long-gone. Heisenberg simply gained the confidence to cast off his self-preservation mechanism.
But again, I’m thinking that I got it wrong. I think the young, brilliant, dynamic Walter White has been alive all along, but he’s been smothered by a mass of constructed identities. The schoolteacher is a construction. Heisenberg is also a construction. Who knows what other identities he’s built for himself–the reassuring father, the cautiously magnanimous brother-in-law, the tough-love mentor, etc. What they all seem to have in common is that he assumes whatever he believes the situation demands.
The few times we ever see him being real, doing something genuine, without being blustery or lying or overcompensating–those are the times that we get a glimpse of his young, brilliant self shining through, alive all along. Anytime he’s forced to throw together a MacGyver-esque solution, anytime he shows his tortured affection for Jesse, the few times he blurts something passionate that reveals how he really thinks and feels–that’s not schoolteacher Walt, it’s not Heisenberg, and it’s not any of the other bullshit he wraps around himself when he thinks he knows what’s best for himself. In those moments, he’s the real Walt, the young Walt, the one he did his best to crush out of existence decades before Heisenberg was even a twinkle in his eye.
Frying Crazy 8’s lungs with an on-the-spot concoction: real Walt. Druggedly confessing his feelings about Jesse to Walter Jr.: real Walt. Lying sick on the bathroom floor, admitting to Skyler that he screwed up: real Walt. He’s still there. It’s just that after a painful break from the life he cared about and through years of sedated domesticity, he’s learned the unfortunate habit of rarely being himself.
The interesting thing about real Walt is that he’s very passionate about two things: science and survival. He is quite possibly amoral–a chaotic, unpredictable expression of those passions. I’m betting that once the show catches up to the flash-forwards of the assumed identity and the car trunk full of guns, we’re probably also catching up to real Walt. My new pet theory is that over the next year, his capacity for bullshitting is chipped away from him, and the guy we saw in those flashbacks no longer has a reason to hide.
tl;dr version:
Heisenberg since [any moment in the show here]? Wrong.
Heisenberg all along, having developed for years before the start of the show? Wrong again.
Mess of contradictory assumed identities, all the while with the young, brilliant Walt still lurking beneath and infrequently showing himself? Bingo.
i’m gonna need both of you to lie face down on the floor and die.
Flynn smokes meth with Louis.
:tup:
Has anybody considered the final call wasn’t meant for Jesse?
Who or what else would it be for, though? Walt’s not going to kill Hank.
I agree. Who else is left to kill at this point? That call could only be for Jesse. Jesse threatened Walt, so now Walt realizes what he has to do, even if he doesn’t want to.
The real question is what Jesse’s gonna do.
What was that CD?
We don’t know!
BREAKING BAAAAAAD!
Hmm. You have a point. Fan theories don’t typically come true here.
Jesse was doing either meth or cocaine off it.
I love how this show is unapologetic with its characters. At first, when Hank indicated he would be OK with Jesse dying, I was steaming. Especially since Hank was talking to Marie about how he did the wrong thing in S3 by beating Jesse down. However, Hank doesn’t “know” Jesse like us. To Hank, Jesse is just a drug dealing, murdering piece of shit (especially after his confessions). He’s a fine sacrifice to catch Walt. Hell, Walt’s killed all those other people. What’s one more?
On that note, I was laughing like hell when Walt was trying to explain to Skyler that Jesse wasn’t a problem.
Skyler: Are you telling me that he tried to burn our house down?
Walt: That was… probably, for a brief moment, his intention, but obviously, he changed his mind.
