I can see Walt giving Mike’s money to Jesse as some kind of last ditch bid to keep him involved. That could even be the way Jesse finds out Walt killed Mike.
It wasnt a matter of what he would have to gain. It was a snap reaction to disrepekk and disobedience, you know a BAWSEE cant have that shit.
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Jesse wont question Mikes whereabouts for awhile, Mike specifically said that they will never see each other again. Walt is probably going to give that money to Todd and his prison connection to keep Mike’s old payroll “quiet”.
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Moneybag = 5mill - initial 135k for Mike’s old crew + Granddaughter money (~2-2.5mill) + another 135k. = nice chunk of change
Why would he give anyone shit? More importantly, how? Cops are on the families and the one lawyer they were all using. If Walt gets anywhere near those guys he’ll sell himself out. He’ll probably just have Lydia hire some goon to kill them all or use Todd’s prison connections to kill off Mike’s crew and pay them some cash.
But what do I know. So far I’m horrible at predicting anything of this show.
Walt has really joined the dark side, but I like the way the show is now about “the rise and fall of a drug lord”. It’s quite a bit more realistic than him continuing to act like he did before Fring.
Still wondering what the hell was going on with the very first episode. Maybe that’s a flash forward to him going all gangland on some people in the final episode of this season?
Kind of off topic, but if you want a show that’s of a similar quality, I highly suggest Justified. Once you get past the retarded hat, the show is awesome.
Jesse is the conscience of the show. Jesse has always been the soul of the show since Season 3. Walt is merely the backdrop, a depraved force of nature that generates one calamitous event after another.
I wasn’t surprised in the least, but I expected it on the season finale. Which is why when Walt said something to the effect of, “…I’ll retrieve the package” I literally said “Oh Shit!” because I knew what was coming next.
It was a bit disheartening but refreshing to see Jesse finally see the totality of Walt’s megalomania and incessant greed. Jesse handled himself well though, it’s a shame that he might be the one who has to finish this…
The most important scene this ep was seeing Walt seething when Mike was spittin’ 100% *puro *truth. This is what really got to Walt, not being withheld the list of names. Walt heard exactly what he knew deep down and couldn’t take it.
Mike went out like a G, even if it wasn’t completely on his own terms. R.I.P. Ehrmantraut. pours 40
Never been explicitly revealed. But I think Eliot is at the center, that and “social status”.
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Yeah, this episode did handle some stuff in a “taking care of business” kind of way… but how great was Gomie’s shit-eating grin in the doorway of the bank vault?
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It was funny up until the point were I realized Mike’s granddaughter had to worry about 2 million dollar tuition fees 12 years from now…
I loved the scene. The corniness of Walt’s lines were to serve how unaware he was of his own perverse pride, which is why it didn’t faze me.
The S05E01 Prologue starts to make more sense this ep, esp. since Walt has grown out his hair, essentially meaning he’s been humbled from his *Heisenberg *persona and seeking redemption and/ or survival.
Jesse seems like the ethical inverse of Walt. While Walt’s journey has been from gentle school teacher family man to drug lord, Jesse’s journey has been the opposite. He no longer uses drugs, and is looking to retire to spend time with his girl. He’s trying to settle into the situation Walt has left behind… BITCH!
What a shame it would have been if he was killed off in season 1 as planned.
whiteshadow: do you think we get to see why next episode?
Pher: There was a time during season 2 and season 3 where I was hoping Jessie would get killed, true story lol
ha I doubt you’re alone. I remember when I started watching last spring, I told my friend I really liked Jesse and he was shocked. Just thought he was a scumbag. He’s since turned around, but I think we can all agree he wasn’t the most sympathetic character in the first 3 seasons.
Also that vice interview is a good read!
Uh, what? How is Walt to blame for that chick’s death at all? She let herself relapse. That is about as indirect as it gets.
He could have very easily stopped it and he didn’t do it. Consider the reasons why he might have made that decision. Yeah, you can pin it on her actions, but you’d be missing the point completely.
And also consider the chain of events that transpired as a result. Yes, it involves a web of probability that defies all odds, but, again, that’s the point. The universe itself judged Walt’s (in)action and found it despicable.
I like that the show started with Walt as the protagonist that you sympathized for and rooted for, because it was really easy to go ahead with the morality of what he did. Is it wrong to steal bread to feed your family? All those other guys - Tuco, the cartel, Gus - they were firmly established as bad guys because they didn’t care about children and freely killed people for no reason.
Walt was the good guy.
But now I love that they’ve completely and utterly deconstructed everything about what made him the good guy, while still keeping the show running in the same format with the same focus. We’re still following him around and he’s still the protagonist…but dude is the most evil man in the Breaking Bad universe.
Everything that Walt did at the beginning that made you sympathize with him and understand him has been demolished and deconstructed.
He’s got no cancer anymore, the reason he’s doing all this doesn’t exist anymore.
He shouts at Mike that he can’t run because people depend on him…but that’s wholly false now too, he doesn’t even have a family anymore, his wife wants him dead.
He’s not in it for the money. He’s “in the empire business.”
He lies to his partner, manipulates him anyway he can.
Oh, he doesn’t directly kill the girl (even though not calling 911 in that situation is as blatantly close to actual murder as you can get) that time…but now…the dude is straight up poisoning and killing children, has just killed one of his partners for absolutely no reason other than pride or emotional sentiment.
There is literally nothing left that separates Walt from the established “bad guys” except for the fact that he’s still standing…and that the show is about him.
This has been like the most gradual and fantastic heel turn I’ve ever seen and it’s such a fun ride seeing a dude get so evil…and it’s so gradual and so well done that half the people who watch the show and love it don’t even see it yet. Walt is the evilest man in this universe.
Hank should be the protagonist, but the perspective of the show is skewed now such that the entire structure of the show forces you still to sympathize with Walt. Fuck, it’s so good.
You aren’t killing someone by failing to act. The universe? lol It’s a scripted show. There is no “universe” beyond the minds of the writers/directors/producers. All in all, did he let that girl die? Yes. Is it immoral? Yes. Is he responsible? No.
That’s like saying if you see someone crossing a street while a drunk driver speeds toward them and you don’t run and push them out of the way that you killed them.
No one’s getting convicted of murder for being a bystander. No one is getting more than maybe a blow on their conscience and some trauma.
… When did Walt kill a child? lol
His actions directly led to Tarantula Boy getting capped in the desert, and he had no remorse afterward.
A ten second phone call could have saved her life, but he decided that he was better off with her dead, so he chose to let her die instead of saving her.
Why are we arguing semantics on these things? The point is made.
You’re too caught up in legal fault. Obviously a court of law probably wouldn’t consider that murder, but for the purpose of the show, its pretty much murder.
It’s not an issue of semantics. It’s people saying he outright “killed” these two people. How do you know his actions led to “tarantula boy’s” death? There’s not one indication that the boy wouldn’t have seen them had he capped the siphon early. The girl OD’d, Todd killed the little boy. End of story. If that’s the case, Jesse killed her too by getting her back on drugs. Jesse also killed the little boy Gus had murdered by saying “no kids.” Jesse killed the dealers, too, by putting Walt in a compromising position to do the deed himself.
I don’t even get why this is a point. Fucking Mike and Gus killed more people in their sleep than Walt could ever amass, but they were loved. People actually cried at the end of the last episode. But yet Walt is a hated man. Were Mike’s actions more altruistic or something?
Walt’s already crossed the line into murderer, from season one with the bicycle lock finisher.
He’s progressively descended deeper and deeper into murderer territory with the two guys he ran over, Gus, Mike…each time having less and less justification and moral reasoning to do it.
You’re right, he didn’t shoot Tarantula Boy himself, Todd took that out of his hands. But you’re missing the point of the whistling scene afterward. Consider what type of character Walt is and what he would have done if Todd didn’t do it for him. He poisoned Jesse’s surrogate son just to manipulate him…imagine how little he’ll care about a kid he doesn’t even know.
Point is he’s a murderer, and the murders he’s got on his hands aren’t always justified - he’s not above hurting children, which was one of the biggest reasons he justified Gus’ murder. Gus is a guy that allows people under him to hurt children, look at how evil he is! Said by a guy who would straight up kill kids himself.
The beauty of the show is that he’s framed in such a way that even when he does horrible things like this, and allow Jesse’s girlfriend to die just because it’d be more convenient to Walt, and support a plan to kill and dispose of a kid they killed in the desert…people still don’t see him as a bad guy. They still defend him like this, arguing about semantics and how he didn’t literally shoot THESE people…even though he’s already established as a immoral murderer and this is just the icing on his delicious murderous cake.
That’s what’s so good about the show, that people can still think Walt’s not ALL bad.
But he is, he is the most vile man in the show’s universe, everything he’s done is indefensible, there’s no reason for him to be the way he is now. That’s what’s so good about it.
There’s no reason? He’s given a clear reason. He has nothing. He’s been in a similar situation before… backed out, and saw what a horrific mistake it is. Now he doesn’t even have a family to fall back on to soothe the pain. He’s also seen what it takes to be on top in this industry and sentimentality is not the answer. He’s always been about doing what’s necessary. Every single character in the show has. He’s just [almost] always the one who has to do the dirty work. There are no innocent parties in this show at all besides Hank, and the only time you root for him is when he’s on the verge of being whacked. There is not one character besides Skyler and Saul who hasn’t killed anyone (or tried), but people see the justification in everyone’s actions but Walt’s. Not one complaint about Mike, not one about Jesse, not one about Hank (that’s a given).
My problem isn’t with semantics. My problem is with the hypocrisy of condemning one person just because he started out as a family man with good intentions, whereas all these others were “scum” of some degree and didn’t have far to travel across that particular line of immorality. Did you still like Jesse after he killed Gale? If your answer is yes (depending, of course, on whether you’ve ever liked him), then my point should be pretty clear.
Also, would it sway your thinking at all if you knew that Lily of the Valley is used as an herbal remedy as a dietary supplement in strict moderation? That would mean that with a little research, Walt could have used a dosage that was harmful but not deadly especially with proper treatment. And we all know how meticulous he is.
Anyway, I don’t care if people don’t like Walt. My only issue was with these assertions that he directly killed certain individuals.
Obviously there’s no one objective way to enjoy a show, and it’s cool that so many people get different takes out of different scenes.
It’s certainly a…different and interesting way to enjoy the show thinking that Walt’s the good guy, that everything he’s done has been fueled by like the good old American tradition of working hard to achieve things or whatever.
The only question with that is how you explain the inconsistency with his behaviour in the last season or two and spiral into being an all around criminal megalomaniac.
Walt’s always about doing what’s necessary?
So why when Jesse and Mike come up to him with the plan to sell all the stuff and get out with a cool $5 million each, much much much more than he ever needed to support his family…he doesn’t go for it? And then he speaks about Gray Matter and not wanting to give it all up again and how he’s not about the money anymore, he’s in the empire business.
Building an empire and going on a complete ego trip…how is that necessary? How is that not Walt just getting caught up in becoming Heisenberg and all the ego and power and respect that entails? There’s nothing necessary about it.
If it’s about doing what’s necessary, how come he doesn’t go back to teaching? Or even just running the car wash, which is fully self sufficient now away?
He has directly killed individuals, unnecessarily, and is not above doing whatever it takes to manipulate Jesse, including letting his girlfriend die just because it was more convenient for him that she was dead, and also to poison that fatty Latino kid…like how is that not pure evil? You’re saying that was the only necessary course of action he could have taken? That he was forced to do that because of circumstances beyond his control and that he has no responsibility there?
We still like Jesse after he kills Gale because (a) mainly it was Walt that manipulated him to do it, (b) Jesse shows remorse after.
Again, like with the death of Tarantula Boy - it forces Jesse to quit and Walt to whistle. Jesse is a good guy who does evil things, Walt is just an evil guy who does evil things. Todd kills the kid, that’s right - but Jesse’s reaction is to punch him in the face and quit, and Walt’s reaction is to adopt him as Jesse’s replacement as partner (and also kind of surrogate son). Arguing about whether or not Walt directly pulled the trigger or not is kind of missing the entire point.
Again, interpret it however you want, but I just worry your enjoyment of this show will be limited if everything flies over your head. The awesomest part about this show is the gradual turn of Walter White from a mild mannered chemistry teacher into the hardcore remorseless criminal Heisenberg. If you aren’t tuned into that, then I don’t know what show you’re watching.