Shaft is right. I love the show, but Walt is a villain. He’s just not the worst when you put him up against some of his enemies/cohorts. He MAY be good at heart way, way down (and that’s what keeps the show going), but his ego overpowers damn near everything. It says something that him putting Hank back on the trail of Heisenberg, which was so “full retard”, fits his character perfectly.
Nope. Good people can do bad things and vice versa, what makes Walt now teetering towards malevolence is the fact that he decided to stay on a path that he knows will inevitably ruin the lives of everyone he loves.
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Am I the only one that is pissed that Gus was taken out by a chump like Walt? Such an unfitting end to such a great character.
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Omar got taken out by a Kenard of all people, at least Gus knew Walt was after him and there was an engagement and it was a much more “noble” end.The villains in this show last longer and longer, the first guy got taken out after only a few episodes, then Tuco, then the Twins, then Gus. Next season… FINAL METH BOSS! He will probably be a dissembodied alien brain that resembles a really veiny testicle with scorpion/spiders spawning around him. Walt and Jesse needs some Spread Shot power-up to defeat him and it will be ultimately anti-climactic.
^ why put a spoiler for another show in a spoiler tag about a show we’re discussing
that’s inane, if you want to spoil other shows, at least let people know you’re gonna do it
Yep, I’d say you’re alone in thinking that.
Are we still going with the spoiler tag for Breaking Bad? If you’re not caught up on the finale or even caught up on all the seasons, then you shouldn’t be clicking on a Breaking Bad thread, the fault is entirely yours.
I think it’s hard to say that Walt was still just trying to protect his family. He doesn’t even like them any more. He doesn’t move back in when given a chance, he stops living and having dinner with them, he doesn’t give a shit about picking out a cool car for his son, he’s seen with the baby like once the entire season. If he’s just looking out for them, why doesn’t he spend time with them? He moved out for sake of their safety? Nah, I mean they know where the house is anyway, that’s actually the first place they go looking for him.
He was using that excuse as a justification to build his ego. He wants to go out big, doesn’t want his kid to see him as a weak man. He wants to leave a bunch of bodies and a ton of money in his wake. I think that’s all that’s motivating him. He’s out on some crazy revenge trip against the world itself for screwing him for the first 50 years of his life.
Turns out that he is the most evil and deliberately malicious man out of all of them. Gus and all of his plots of violence against the cartel are somewhat justified based on his initial history with them, he was just a businessman back then before they shot his dude. But now he’s a business, man, so let him handle his business, damn. But Gus still looks after his own - cuts the deal with the cartel to stop his goons from being sniped, stores bags of blood for Mike and Jesse. Treats all his employees with respect.
Walt doesn’t do that. He’s constantly fucking Jesse over, and even though they team-up again just a little bit at the end, it’s all revealed to be another fabricated plot. Jesse never becomes Walt’s partner or his equal, he’s eternally his puppet to be used in whatever way Walt thinks is necessary for him to “protect his family.”
In what other series of this caliber do you end up rooting for the biggest villain in the show? Goddamn, this is some good stuff.
cosign on everything especially this part.
Walt is pretty evil now, but I doubt he takes the cake against the villains he’s been up against. Even with the pettiness and selfishness.
carpet lint, that’s not what i’m referring to, i’m up to date on breaking bad. for some reason sheng-long thought that a great analogy for breaking bad’s recent events is something that just happened in the wire, a show i haven’t seen all the way through, and pretty much spoiled something huge.
i mean, if we’re in a thread about breaking bad, it’s reasonable for us to put everything in spoiler tags
but why put a show we’re not talking about in the same spoiler tag as breaking bad? i’m going to open them all but why should i have to have another show spoiled because i’m reading posts i want to read
but whatever, please be more careful next time
I think its mainly Skyler and not the entire family. Ever since she’s been in on his double life shes done little besides complicate things further.
I agree. Walt does bad stuff out of self preservation for him and and his family. Gus may have better business ethics, but when he kills, it’s purely for profit and protection of his drug empire.
side note: google Werner Heisenberg quotes. I like this one in particular: “What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”
Skyler is such a bitch, I love it. Especially that whole story with giving Ted money, oh man, how I enjoyed hating her. A lot like Betty Draper - the reason I love the character as much as I do is because I enjoy hating them so much. SUCH A BITCH, it’s so great.
Yeah, I wasn’t talking to you, I was just speaking in regards to the spoiler tag in general. But I do agree with you, Sheng-Long is the scum of the Earth and should be persecuted for his crimes against humanity.
Then again, that season of The Wire came out like almost four years ago. If you haven’t seen it already then what are you doing with your life? People who haven’t watched The Wire shouldn’t be granted the same basic rights as other human beings, I don’t think they even deserve to live and draw breath, forget about spoilers.
Walt is totally the evilest. But alright, maybe not “evil” evil, but who is more deliberately as callous and malicious to the ones that are supposedly his friends as Walt?
Season 5, Jesse doesn’t allow Gus to kill Walt. And yeah in Season 3-4, Walt doesn’t let Gus kill Jesse. But I can’t imagine Jesse doing to Walt all the things Walt’s done to Jesse.
Gus is a reasonable businessman, and the bad things he does are unfortunate sides of doing that type of business. (Except the part where he box cutters Victor, I mean, GODDAMN.) All the other criminals like Tuco or the cousins were either like crazy or sticking to some strict code of crime family honour or something - they’re little more than just wild animals, you can’t hate on them for doing what is their nature to do. They are lifelong criminals, of course they are going to be bad guys, they don’t know any better.
But Walt is supposed to be coming from an initially much higher moral ground, he is a family man and high school chemistry teacher. Yet at the end, he’s gotten to the point where he is the most ruthless dude in a crowd full of hardcore life long cartel drug dealers and murderers. And he is, he’s the last one standing. And that’s what I mean, dude beat them all, but not by being the bigger man or being more altruistic or whatever than everyone. He went all the way down to their level and won, and that’s gotta be commended.
I totally agree haha
nevermind gus is dead lol
Season 2 is blowing my mind. I’m almost done with Season 2 so I can start on Season 3 (I will likely download season 4). I have all week off work and taking a few days off next week because of Arkham City. So hopefully I can get through the series up until the current finale before Arkham City claims me.
Also, a lot of people are mentioning The Wire. I feel deeply saddened (especially after reading CLint’s rant) that I have yet to watch it, let alone barely know anything about it.
Don’t hate me. I just don’t watch TV that often. 
Dude I LOVE your avatar!
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I think he became morally corrupt when
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he let Jesse’s girlfriend die in season 2. Knowing all well that he could’ve saved her life very easily, he instead chose to let her suffocate on her own vomit.
Things spiraled downhill quickly from there.
I’m a few episodes after this. Haha
The spoiler tags were appreciated (especially for everything that I haven’t seen yet.)
The show is up and down but for the most part very entertaining and the acting top notch. The first couple episodes I felt like I was watching a horror film. The tension is palpable in some of the scenes.
But then interactions start to become repitive. He argues with his wife, she has the same exaggerated surprised look every time, he gets sad, yells at Jesse, Jesse gets angry/confused, and then about 15 minutes of the episode makes up for it. There is a lot of filler in the later episodes but the first 3 were still the best.