Breaking Bad

Maybe they shouldn’t have killed Gus and let one of his high ranking henchmen die instead.

Thereby making it so that Walt still isn’t in charge and still struggling against those who have authority over him, thereby delaying his character development.

I prefer the “Granite State was the true Breaking Bad ending; Felina was giving the audience the ending they wanted” double ending theory. Especially with the shot glass being half-full/half-empty analysis.

Do you get mad when your pizza has the toppings you ordered on it?

The ending wasn’t predictable at all, anyway, if we consider the last half of the last season “the ending.”

I do think the Nazis were well acted and compelling when they were on screen, but I liked that perhaps in another show, it would be so easy to be rooting for Gus. Hell, who wasn’t when he took down Don Eladio and cronies? Nazis I guess were kind of spiritual successors to Tuco, but Tuco is still the best pyscho villain in TV history.

Because I wrote the story to Breaking Bad right?

I though the finale was great, but can understand what you’re saying. I was expecting mad craziness, because that was Breaking Bad’s X-Factor. Still, I feel what we got was a great cap to the series. All the crazy shit happened already, and they were just tying things up with Granite State and Felina.

I understand the Nazis as “weak” final bosses too. However, I always treated it as just the power vacuum in motion. You have larger than life guys in the drug game (Tuco, Gus), but when those guys get got, the crown is in the street for anybody with the resources for it (Walt, and then the Nazis). There’s no obligation for the “prince” to be charming or magnetic. That’s just the way it is. We’ve been swept off our feet with magnificent villains like Gus. However, repugnant bottom feeders who just have sheer numbers and connections like the Nazis can step up too.

Just out of curiosity, what other villains did you compare him to?

The fly.

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The same fly from Tucos house, then Gus’s Lab, then finally at the Nazi compound for the ending. Damn I don’t see how I missed such an important plot point!

Oh jeez I was hoping no one pressed me on that claim. I just think theres such a big preference for the cold calculating type of villain (Gus, Marlo Stanfield) and the powder keg, unpredictable psycho type like Tuco is less frequently seen. Maybe I just don’t watch enough shows. I especially love the scene where he’s blasting cattle with an assault rifle in between bumps of crystal just for kicks. That whole early s2 arc is the most tense part of BB imo.

This video is well put together

Am still sore over the ending of BB, I kinda wished they made it a 2 part special or something, not disclosing WW history with grey matter kinda pissed me off, also when the laser beams hit the schwartzs i nearly got a hard on, I thought WW speech was to give them some kinda cruel hope before blowing them both away. I actually wanted WW to be that evil.

Him smoking the neo nazis at the end didnt exactly feel rushed to me, just kinda convient, if I had a gang and 70m in cash I would be hauling ass to a non extradition treaty country, wtf were they still doing hanging about in a shitty compound playing darts for? To me it was like the writers were all “ahhh hes a good guy he killed nazis and saved jesse xD” were as I would have loved the show to end where WW killed everybody and closed all the loops.

Lydia assassination was beautiful and the way he handled it was bad ass, but attaching a m60 on a hastily built garage door system (or whatever it was) kinda seemed a bit flimsy, m60 woulda fired 3 rounds then volleyed itself out of the boot and half way down the street lol.

The M-60 thing seemed to be a pretty simple mechanism. It doesn’t seem to be too much of a stretch that it would have worked as intended. The convenient thing about it is that it managed to hit everybody–that the car was in the right place, the building was in the right layout, everybody was standing in the right spot, and so on.

Anyway, I don’t think the writers meant to portray Walt as a good guy. I think they wanted to give his life a ticking clock, and therefore give him one last mission to accomplish. In a very precarious way, I think they gave him what he deserved, both good and bad.

I’m trying to rationalise this in my head.

Is the ending really rushed or is it, for what it is, actually perfect? Was the point of the ending to give closure to the series (to which I would say it didn’t really achieve this with too many incomplete answers), or to show that Walter found his personal closure, regardless of what really happens after his death (to which I would say, yes, this was a very good ending)? Is it intentional that we didn’t get anything more than what was strictly necessary?

The one thing going for it is that Walt had been there before, and knew the layout, knew where they conducted business, knew their routines. So it’s definitely plausible.

I think the ending really started when the Nazis open fire on Hank and Gomie in the desert. That was the start of Breaking Bad’s final crisis–the moment when John McClane finds the time bomb, when Neo finds himself alone up against Agent Smith, when the rebels make their attack run against the Death Star, and so on. It’s the moment that sends a shockwave htrough everything that happens in the show right up until the final curtain.

Once that happens, Breaking Bad becomes the story of how Walt flees into the wilderness and becomes what he needs to become in order to die. Which is really a microcosm of the whole story, as most ending are.

What I don’t get:

[details=Spoiler]Can anyone explain to me what was going on with Walt trying to kill Jesse for ratting on him and then doing a complete 180 to not only save the guy from slavery and letting him walk away live?

I’m sure there are many ways to rationalize it but for me it just seemed like the audience liked Jesse too much for Gilligan to kill him off. His plot armor has just stuck with him since season 1 when they originally planned to have him iced in some random drug dealing a la Turbo (remember this guy?)[/details]

Walt likes Jesse too much.

And I don’t remember Turbo. You might be talking about Combo.