Yeah he is. He’s top 5 in the world right now. I checked the rankings.
I know last fight he didn’t monitor his weight during training. He didn’t look to be in shape that’s for sure. What I DID like about Chris was his response to adversity. He got knocked down pretty damn hard but got up and went to work. No too many people respond like Chris. He does need to work on his conditioning and keeping his hands up a little more if he wants to take on the Klitschkos.
He has a ton of heart, and sometimes guts and determination can give you just enough of an edge to beat out skill.
I’m rooting for Chris that’s for sure. I would love to see him win a belt. I would love for him to be the first fighter of Mexican heritage to win a heavyweight title. He seems like a great guy with the right mindset and he’s a hell of an interview.
the thing about heavyweights now a days is that they are not in shape. especially American heavyweights, have terrible conditioning. That is why the eastern Europeans are dominating these days. The Euros have very good conditioning. Look at the heavyweights in the 70’s, 80’s, even in the 90’s, American heavyweights were in good condition. That is not the case today. That is one of the main reasons the U.S. hasn’t been any good in the heavyweight division. Lucky for them, they don’t have to make weight.
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I’m rooting for Wladimir Klitschko to destroy the loud mouth, unproven ( at heavyweight) David Haye. Haye talked his way into a championship fight, he better back that shit up or he’ll look fucking stupid like Ricky Hatton talking all that shit," re-mortgage your house, put on me"
Dude, De La Hoya is de la hoya, it’s true that he isn’t in his prime anymore but saying he is drained is an exaggeration.
The reason why Pacquiao is the greater boxer is…well… lets look at his resume! I’ve given the comparison already with Mayweathers vs Haton/De La Hoya, and Pacquiao Hatton/de la hoya, now just by watching it you can’t deny that Hatton/De La Hoya had a harder time against Pacquiao. Pacquiao just owned them. I’m not taking anything away from Mayweathers jr. he is definitely one of the greats so far but i don’t see anything that makes him better than Pacquiao.
yeah i also think it’s more of a slippery slope thing. if you have all of these fat ass guys fighting at 250, if you’re a trim 220 you prob feel some sort of pressure to beef up just from a psychological standpoint…but yeah, the klitschkos are big as hell, in shape and fundamentally sounds which is why they dominate the division where no one else has all 3 of those things.
i said it, and yes if i don’t see marquez fall around the place in the 1st round against PBF then how does this not show Pac holding better ability? That match you are talking about is very controversial because of the scoring error. If the judges didn’t mess up then the score would have been 2/2.
I agree about the first match.
But let’s also not forget in the second match the scorecards were questionable as well and a lot of people (myself included) though Marquez should have been the winner. So in a sick twisted way it kind of worked out. Pacman got cheated out of his win into a draw but got some empathatic judging in the second matchup.
I think that judging in general needs a COMPLETE overhaul. For one video evidence should be allowed to overrule a ref’s decision on whether a cut is caused by a headbutt or a punch. It could also be used to determine whether a knockdown is a slip or not. For 2 things like the scorecard error in the Pacman Marquez 1 bout SHOULD OVERTURN match decisions. A judge presented an ILLEGAL scorecard by not scoring the knockdowns peoperly.
Other sports are moving into the new age when it comes to scoring/judging/referees. (Football and the new coach being able to question ref calls at the cost of a timeout comes to mind). Boxing needs to step up its not like this would cost them much money to do. Fighters are becoming more professional and the judging should become more professional to match them.
that opinion is beyond stupid. you can cite scoring issues all you want, but the fact remains he had him down 3 times in the first round and couldn’t finish him, all those knockdowns “proved” was that JMM wasn’t ready for his power so he quickly adjusted and got it together. pac wasn’t even the better boxer in the ring on that night and according to many people he wasn’t the 2nd time they met either.
but anyways, when PBF gets his standard unaminous decision (or late KO) victory over JMM which will be more than anything pac ever did against JMM, you’ll still have your dumb opinion. i suppose you also think that foreman >>> ali, since he did knock frazier down 5+ times while ali never got him down once.
Oh ya, but that is not the point (apparently, you failed to understand what i’m talking about); we are trying to compare Pacquiao and Mayweathers at the moment - who is better than who, at the moment (since both have not faced each other yet)-. We look at their credentials. Manny and PBF equally faced and beat Hatton and ODLH, now lets compare those two matches… Manny was more fierce against them. JMM later adjusting and getting his shit together on the later rounds has nothing to do with this (what does that have to do with this Pac/PBF topic i’m on?) because we are comparing Pac/PBF at the moment using these 3 opponents.
That is the supportive reason on the case between Pac/PBF because if PBF wins the same way he did against ODLH (unanimous decision) and did not cause any comparable complications to JMM, then until PBF faces and KO’s manny Manny is still the better the boxer. Understand what the point of the discussion is before calling the opinion stupid.
So tell me, if the judges didn’t make a mistake during the scoring, who would of won? As for the 2nd time, who are these “many people”? Where there any reported mistakes during the scoring, no. So please show me these “many people” and lets see how reputable their complaints are. Manny won by decision based on JMM being knocked down in Round 3, Manny was never knocked down in that fight (if i recall) so who the hell is arguing against the results of that match?
no i understand your “supportive reason” perfectly and it’s dumb as hell, i already said why. pac got outboxed plain and simple, i don’t even see how it’s a discussion look at the scorecards, he came out guns blazing got his knockdowns and then JMM figured him out and outboxed him. and you’re saying if PBF simply wins the fight in a clear fashion, something pac didn’t do in either fight, that you think it helps proves pac > PBF. if you can’t see how that’s obviously flawed logic then i really don’t know what to tell you.
and for the record no matter how PBF wins (assuming of course that he does) i don’t think it says anything in particular about him vs. pac.
No you still didn’t understand it. this part: “and you’re saying if PBF simply wins the fight in a clear fashion, something pac didn’t do in either fight, that you think it helps proves pac > PBF.” shows you didn’t understand shit.
The POINT of the discussion is about the COMPARISON between Pac/Mayweathers - who is currently better? JMM being able to get his stuff together and put a good fight is a different topic.
Repeated: at the moment, Pac is better than PBF, it’s unarguable by me based on the performance of both these men – lets compare the fights with their common opponents: ODLH could not fight Pacquiao (9th round), Hatton got silenced hard in the end of the 2nd round. Now, since PBF is going against JMM (a man who Pac fought twice), JMM has to be more impressive than pacquiao against marquez, because if not then the #1 goes to Pacquiao until the time Pac and PBF go at it. Paq managed to knock marquez 3 in the 1st bout and i think only once in the 2nd.
How did Pac get out boxed? After Marquez recovered from the 3 knocked downs, did you see pacquiao get knocked down? No. JMM managed to give Pacquiao a great fight and show that he can take him, but still never knocked him down in either fights. Pac was in what way Outboxed You really don’t know what you are talking about.
Pacquiao landed some big shots in round seven as he again looked for the early finish over Marquez. The damage to Pacquiaos right eye was made worse by Marquez in round eight as he repeatedly targeted it with his superior jab whilst Pacquiao remained the stronger of the two and continued to land with the bigger, more powerful shots. The right eye of Marquez was now giving cause for concern and the fight was briefly stopped in round nine so the ringside doctor could take a closer look at it but he saw nothing to prevent the fight from continuing and the fight was waved on.
read what Raphael Marquez says too.
As i asked, if the score was not wrong then who actually won? Why was this never paid attention to?
While your lord agrees that PBF/PAC is the longest anticipated match up; The Greatest Poster feels that it won’t live up to the hype, when ever it happens. I don’t think it’ll even be better than PAC/JMM (which was a great match), maybe it’s looking less interesting due to the long ass “PBF/PAC” in the net. I don’t know.
Pac/Shane Mosley or Pac/Marquez 3 sounds better at the moment. The PBF/PAC should be made for the sake of ending the whole theory debate between both men.
The thing is, i think Pac is going to retire after one more match. The greatest poster heard that he’s going to have a tv show or something, and we all know his whole plans in going into the political arena… which is bad. Manny going into politics is just bad; he’ll loose his fame in his first year and if he does not have a victory record over SSM, PBF, and a settled score against JMM then you’ll be hearing allot of dogging on him being 3rd-4th best boxer. He’ll treat our country just like he treated Hatton.
The greatest poster of shoryuken deserves green rep, i am aware that i have not made any threads recently and that’s because allot have strutted their arrogance in front of your lord. I have given you the chance to repent by joining my church (the cisco’s acolytes group) yet only one has joined up.
i love how me disagreeing and pointing out a logical flaw = me not understand, whatever dude. i hope the fight goes down.
but yeah mr. noodle knows what’s good.
is there any way that roy jones fighting some mma guy doesn’t end in high comedy? i mean jones in a cage is disaster waiting to happen, and the same goes for some mma guy getting in the ring with jones.
The irony is, you didn’t understand what they meant.
I’ll Street Fighter it: Makoto can KO people really fast with her high damage and high stun, but that doesn’t mean that she’s better than Chunners, who will take her time to knock out the opponent if possible, otherwise a timeout will suffice.
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
