BLOODSTAINED: RITUAL OF THE NIGHT aka the Spiritual successor of Symphony of the Night

d3v · July 3, 2016, 3:01pm

And now he’s gotten his chance to do a 2D game on console.

OceanMachine · July 3, 2016, 3:06pm

Why does this game already have the sickest soundtrack ever ffs

Moonchilde · July 3, 2016, 3:42pm

Hawkingbird:

Moonchilde:

Pertho:

Moonchilde:

Also, a very tight rope? Dude is literally carbon copying elements from his last game, right down to the story.** I dunno, it just seems lazy. I get people want a Igavania but there is such a thing as trying something new while still remaining faithful to your style.**

Every artist has a style. The reason why people become fans of them is because they do something in a characteristic way to them that garners attention. If you don’t think this applies to video games the way it does to music, writing and the various visual mediums, then you need to reexamine how you go about looking at video game design and what having a certain name attached to a project ultimately means for it.

I’m not disputing that, in fact I even wrote he could be true to his style without ripping everything off down to the story and character design from his last game. HoD was different enough from SotN that it stood on its own, and both were made by Iga.

Kojima’s MGS series has similar gameplay elements in each game, but does each one have a formulaic story? Is each one predictable from the start? Nah, most of them are quite different from one another. Even with clone characters, each one stands out on their own. Why is it Kojima can accomplish this while still having a name and style attached to his games that garners attention but Iga can’t? Both guys worked at the same company…

Again, “there is such a thing as trying something new while still remaining faithful to your style” doesn’t mean making a carbon copy of your very last game.

Metal Gear actually did have a formulaic story once. The story for MGS is practically the same story as Metal Gear 2. Uses the same story concepts and set pieces.

Did we play the same game? They aren’t the same, although there are purposefully made parallels. Both games are vastly different. The characters and story are also vastly different. While MGS2 might have been intended to have a formula similar to MGS, clearly there was enough to separate it from the other to make it feel like a new and fresh experience. Especially since I remember playing both for the first time (MGS2 I played first) and recall both experiences being extremely different from the other.

It’s not 2D.

toddler316 · July 3, 2016, 8:54pm

Is there something difficult to understand about him explaining from the start of his Kickstarter that he intended to make this game this way.

Beyond that it’s clear he had an arc In mind from ooe that was never completed.

How about letting him get though this first game before complaining about a lack of originality since it’s the first he’s been able to do to this scale since symphony.

Hawkingbird · July 3, 2016, 9:48pm

Moonchilde:

Hawkingbird:

Moonchilde:

Pertho:

Moonchilde:

Also, a very tight rope? Dude is literally carbon copying elements from his last game, right down to the story.** I dunno, it just seems lazy. I get people want a Igavania but there is such a thing as trying something new while still remaining faithful to your style.**

Every artist has a style. The reason why people become fans of them is because they do something in a characteristic way to them that garners attention. If you don’t think this applies to video games the way it does to music, writing and the various visual mediums, then you need to reexamine how you go about looking at video game design and what having a certain name attached to a project ultimately means for it.

I’m not disputing that, in fact I even wrote he could be true to his style without ripping everything off down to the story and character design from his last game. HoD was different enough from SotN that it stood on its own, and both were made by Iga.

Kojima’s MGS series has similar gameplay elements in each game, but does each one have a formulaic story? Is each one predictable from the start? Nah, most of them are quite different from one another. Even with clone characters, each one stands out on their own. Why is it Kojima can accomplish this while still having a name and style attached to his games that garners attention but Iga can’t? Both guys worked at the same company…

Again, “there is such a thing as trying something new while still remaining faithful to your style” doesn’t mean making a carbon copy of your very last game.

Metal Gear actually did have a formulaic story once. The story for MGS is practically the same story as Metal Gear 2. Uses the same story concepts and set pieces.

Did we play the same game? They aren’t the same, although there are purposefully made parallels. Both games are vastly different. The characters and story are also vastly different. While MGS2 might have been intended to have a formula similar to MGS, clearly there was enough to separate it from the other to make it feel like a new and fresh experience. Especially since I remember playing both for the first time (MGS2 I played first) and recall both experiences being extremely different from the other.

d3v:

And now he’s gotten his chance to do a 2D game on console.

It’s not 2D.

You misunderstood me. I’m not talking about MGS2. I’m talking Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, the MSX game.

kylebr · July 3, 2016, 10:48pm

There isn’t, but some people just feel the need to be the party pooper.

I mean, the guy didn’t even pledge because he knew Bloodstained would be a formulaic Iga game. Now, he is complaining because Iga is actually doing what he promised :o

Should Iga please the 65K backers that gave him over 5.5 million dollars or should he please you? Move on dude.

po_pimpus · July 3, 2016, 10:56pm

At least one of these Jap devs on Kickstarter keeps their fucking promises…

Fuck Inafune.

Xvideos · July 3, 2016, 11:16pm

Don’t speak so soon, Iga could hire a SJW community manager any second!

affinity · July 4, 2016, 5:58am

Bloodstained’s scale is already beyond symphony. Well it’s still being made, but they don’t have konami rushing them like how SOTN was originally a premature release with a lot of things cut, including things like boss Maria, playable Maria, SOTN costume Richter (which Duck Company made happen for Nocturne in the Moonlight, they even made all 3 characers playable from the start, with the greatest most artistic character select screen in the entire history of videogames!! and they added familiars, a new underground area with new boss, and other things. )

and now I’m even told that the generic blue menu format of SOTN was not even intended to look like that. PS1 SOTN is rushed, ROTN is not. and it took about 3 ports before SOTN had a definitive version (which is exclusive to Dracula X Chronicles, but some argue Nocturne in the Moonlight is better.)

yes they said they are withholding some of the backer content post launch, but the launch game is still going to have a bigger castle than SOTN, a more refined evolution of the genre’s gameplay, taking the strengths of the IGAvanias, and combining them into one masterpiece. plus Miriam possesses some of Shanoa’s qualities, making her potential arsenal even more impressive than any IGAvania protagonist before her.

now if it has a fair abundance of whip weapons, it could have the best of both worlds for classic Castlevania fans and SOTN fans.

the gameplay is already looking more solid and fluid than DXC.

d3v · July 4, 2016, 7:35am

Gameplay-wise, it is.

Hecatom · July 4, 2016, 7:48am

So, we keep replying to dumbchilde because?

Moonchilde · July 4, 2016, 11:44am

My bad.

toddler316 · July 4, 2016, 5:40pm

(S)He made some valid points the first three times this exact argument came up in the castlevania thread.

It’s archived for everyone’s reading pleasure if you want to watch the full circle of this argument and how it ends every time.

Pertho · July 4, 2016, 6:36pm

So you like Iga when does the Iga thing you like but not the other Iga thing you like.

As a matter of fact, all this said is that you’d rather he take from the Iga game you like more rather than that other Iga game you also like but not as much. There’s a better version of Iga but Iga would rather do the one he likes, what an asshole. Like damn, Iga is just trying to do Iga in the way he likes best. People complain that companies don’t let them do what they want. So wait 'til Iga gives you the Iga and pray it doesn’t feel so Inafune.

AriesWarlock · July 4, 2016, 6:44pm

Since my PC is shitty, anyone want for demo Steam key for $5?

Geese_Pants · July 4, 2016, 10:47pm

I’m probably one of the few that actually liked Lords of Shadows…and I have yet to get my Steam key.

I know I put in the required funds in the Kickstarter.

SWBeta · July 4, 2016, 10:53pm

@AriesWarlock I would like that code please

Moonchilde · July 5, 2016, 1:56am

Pertho:

Moonchilde:

I’m not disputing that, in fact I even wrote he could be true to his style without ripping everything off down to the story and character design from his last game. HoD was different enough from SotN that it stood on its own, and both were made by Iga.

So you like Iga when does the Iga thing you like but not the other Iga thing you like.

As a matter of fact, all this said is that you’d rather he take from the Iga game you like more rather than that other Iga game you also like but not as much. There’s a better version of Iga but Iga would rather do the one he likes, what an asshole. Like damn, Iga is just trying to do Iga in the way he likes best. People complain that companies don’t let them do what they want. So wait 'til Iga gives you the Iga and pray it doesn’t feel so Inafune.

Really dude? That’s not even close to what’s quoted in the text box. Try again.

Pertho · July 5, 2016, 2:31am

No, that’s just where we end up after having to read all the nerd shit reasons why a creator doing things the way he has done before is a point of criticism. This is exactly what you’ve been saying the whole fucking time:

I’m not complaining the backdash is there, I’m simply commenting that it’s sad once again we’re going to end up relying on a backdash to get around the game quickly. Some of you may or may not care but once you’ve started using it to get around SotN quickly you’d understand how annoying it can be to mash a single button to get around faster when a simple dash forward or double tap forward to run like what Richter has would have been a far more elegant a solution. It’s not even that a single button to dash is a bad thing, it’s that the distance covered is small and you have to hear the same sound effect literally thousands of times to get around the game at a decent speed. Plus that you have to travel backwards. I’ve sunk thousands of hours into the game and after a while, that back dash and sound effect gets old and it’s tedious.

You can zip around SotN as Richter and it feels great, and it’s fun, even after playing the game for 20 years! You can also do the same in Harmony as Juste with the dash forward, which has further travel distance and is faster than back dashing all day as Alucard in SotN.

You see this? This is you complaining about backdash because a different Iga game did a forward dash and you liked that better.

Oh noes but the story! Great. I have been playing Metroidvanias all these years for their fucking story.

Darksakul · July 5, 2016, 6:48am

Never will happen, have you see all the people involved with the PR for Blood Stained?
Alot of the English speaking PR/Promotion team are huge Castlevania fans, also Iga has a better sense of whats going on in the world than Inafune.