D.Va is meant to disrupt backlines, not a traditional front line tank role. Ult is pretty shit on it’s own, but allows your teammates to pick people off as they head for cover. She’s good, but not for every situation like Reinhardt/Winston.
Except for the huge glowing exclamation point that everyone sees when she starts it plus the fact that any cover at all will completely block any damage.
It’s not a good super, and creative use, while it can work, is still predictable and after learning any one situation people will understand what to do pretty quick. I don’t think it’ll take long for even casuals to realize it’s not scary at all.
No way dude, she’s decently deadly up close, but any attacker role character can out damage her even if she gets the drop on them. She’s great for harassing Widow and killing Mercy but tons of other characters can out damage her with various skills.
I mean, it’s awesome that boost lets her both enter and/or completely escape from like almost any situation, and yeah shotguns are decently powerful but with the very wide spread, slow walk speed while firing(letting people escape or strafe better than you can) and fast damage drop off(so you can’t kill people running from you), she is definitely not “very deadly”
you can hide behind a stripper pole and dodge the full effect of that ultimate lmfao
i played virtual on and it makes me cringe that she cannot fire while moving
meanwhile im watari dashing and air cancelling
d va is eh…probably someone could use her and show me somthing
She can fire while moving. It’s why she has infinite ammo.
DVa’s mech does 168dps on body shots (8 round burst x 3dmg, 7 times a second). When in her effective range, that’s higher than Recon Bastion and almost as high as Soldier.
I think it’s a problem if you’re trying to make it sound like a good thing you do more DPS than recon mode Bastion.
Recon (moving) Bastion does 160, Soldier does 170. DVa mech does about 168 (give or take her spread). Suit less DVa does 98.
McCree does much less unless he right clicks.
Tracer does up to 240, but her damage per hit varies and she must reload every second like right click McCree.
Of course, DVa is balanced by range, but if she had even Tracer’s range she’d be stupid.
There’s nothing quite like leading an army of Torbjörn players as a Lúcio. Speed Boost + Amp It Uefficientlyive turrets guarding the control point on Nepal.
The absolute fear when a team witnesses a Roadhog get mauled by five turrets, followed by a Hanzo and a Tracer getting devoured by five Torbjörns with SB +AIU. I wish I could show you all how amazing it was. But I’ll do this instead
[details=Spoiler]
"The Torbjörn Swarm "
Roadhog, you approached the corner but nobody warned ya,
The imminent threat just waiting to swarm ya,
His teammates aghast,
His next breath his last,
Never has a healthbar depleted so fast,
Hanzo reached for his quiver,
Oh his spine did it shiver,
The pain the Swarm was about to deliver,
Hanzo thought " I do what I must ",
And just like that he’d been reduced to dust,
Here comes Tracer,
" Here love, I’ll face ya! ",
But nothing could brace her,
For what would erase her,
Next up’s McCree,
As tough as can be,
Injuries sustained of the highest degree,
Reinhardt he panicked,
And raised his Shield to survive,
Unfortunately for him,
He was eaten alive,
Here comes Reaper,
Ever the creeper,
He starts to deform,
As is the norm,
But unfortunately for him,
He began to reform,
There’s no escaping a Torbjörn Swarm. [/details]
I love this game, haven’t had this much fun on a FPS since TimeSplitters!
Seriously though, try the Torbjörn Swarm on Nepal. It’s hilarious although you’ll most likely be effieciently dispatched by competent players.
Not well at all
She can’t turn or strafe well
Movement foward and backward is atrocious
She slows down to the pace of dog shit on a road side being blown by the wind
Yeah, but Bastion gets that damage at mid range, and Soldier gets that at even further mid range with LESS of a spread.
D.Va may have similar DPS if everything hits, but they can do that while having more speed while firing, from longer ranges, and have a much easier time focusing on weakpoints. D.Va has none of that, all she has is lots of HP and armor, but the armor is meaningless because her critical hitbox is absolutely massive, AND easy to hit because it’s in the center of her body. You can completely surprise a Soldier 76 from behind, getting two full shots off, and he can still have time to run around and unload in your face easily since you can’t dodge, absolutely melting your health before you can kill him. The only way surprising him works in your favor is if his aim is just bad or he panics.
D.Va is basically a confused design. She’s a tank that’s not as good at being a tank as the best tanks as a tradeoff for having mobility, higher potential DPS, and a “second life” so to speak. This makes her highly situational - either you use her mobility when you’re bogged down to get a tank onto the objective and draw the opposing team there hopefully allowing the main tank to move forward, or you use her when you need to break up groups. The problem is IMO is that she feels too situational when compared to other tanks.
I just realize there is no longer a “WTF” button on SRK
I’m surprised at how much I love Winston. The health, the mobility, the ult. Everyone about him just works.
I’d still argue that Winston just does a better role at disruption than D.va and more specialized at that due to the fact that his toolkit is clearly designed around it.
•Low CD jump similar mobility and CD to D.va flight
•Barrier can be dropped on the backline WHILE pressuring. D.va’s defensive option stops her pressure immediately.
•Consistent AoE damage upclose and goes through Reinhardt shield; straight to the reinhardt and everyone behind him. Rather important since often times a healer will be under the cover of a reinhardt shield and a Winston will either force action from Reinhardt, dropping his shield for the rest of your team to fire on or to take the damage, keep up the shield and let someone else shoo winston away.
•Ult is completely geared towards his role of disruption and survivability. The 1k health, super low cd jumps and knockback isn’t the best thing about the ult, it’s the fact that he can go from low health all the way to 1k and when ult ends, he’s left at whatever health he has left. D.va can only accomplish this if she racks up enough energy while on foot to resummon the mech, not something you’d reliably accomplish while deep in the backline, and even then she’s vulnerable while summoning.
The one thing that D.va has been consistently used but only very sparingly in competitive matches between big name teams was when the offtank/extra dps role has to immediately contest a point after they die, especially if a whole team gets wiped, so they swap to a D.va temporarily. If there’s one thing she’s particularly good at; it’s stalling a capture point that’s about to be captured, or a payload that’s about to reach a checkpoint.
Due to her high mobility, high health, defensive matrix, and the time it takes for her to actually die (once mech dies she has to pop out, which stalls time) and THEN you gotta kill the extra tiny ass pilot, it might give enough time for the rest of the team to respawn, catchup, and contest the point and stabilize. Then when the situation resets, the D.va player will find the time to swap back to the role they originally played. Even her ult is well suited for stalling a contested point.
I like Winston and he is my most played hero. I think he is pretty damn useful pretty much in most games. One weakness I feel he has though is when he is the sole tank in siege like team comps with heavy ranged dps, because that shield goes down pretty damn quick against them and it’s not really enough time for your team to shoot them up during that time. So his only option then is to disrupt them by getting up close, even though it’s pretty suicidal, and hope you last long enough for some people to go down with you, since honestly his dps is pretty low, especially when aoe heals are coming into play.
I decided to try out junkrat and pharah in more games after the beta. I’ve been winning hilariously enough by constantly firing, even when no one is there. You can’t believe how many times someone might be walking around the corner and into a shit ton of grenades into their face. Even though I’ve been the tank in a lot of pubs, I’ve decided that I’m willing to switch off the tank and leave the team with no tank, to play these characters to blow up turrets and bastion that are set up. Normally I thought it would be a riskier play to leave my team without a tank, but it’s been working out better, especially since you can’t rely on someone else to switch to the role.
Are we having the D.VA argument again? Can we just agree that Spirit Juice will disagree with everything we say and move on?
How about you just listen to reason?
The fuck are you on about?
I’m saying we’ve had this discussion maybe twice in this thread already. It always ends the same way.
“D.VA is a bad tank”
"Nuh uh! She has good uses!"
Ad Infinitum
I mean a lot of the times when arguments are brought up why D.Va is not good they’re deflected pretty offhandedly. I think Wasted is the only person that attempted to reasonably argue she is not bad.
To be honest, I just never feel threatened by D.Va, even when playing as a squishy hero. Her ability to do damage is pretty laughable vs most heroes due to her low mobility while firing and large damage fall off past close range. Any offense hero jumping you is way scarier (some have just as good mobility or ability to flank you), and Winston just does her job waaay better with a more disruptive ult to boot.
Speaking of Winston, I ended up playing with some friends last night, three of us and the rest pubs, and carried as Winston. I ended up with like gold in elims and damage done, which shouldn’t really happen as Winston. lol. At one point I think I ended up 1v5ing an entire minute of going in, getting low, popping ult, surviving, running away to a health kit, and kept on harassing. I think I may have only killed one person, but the fact that I wasted so much time was a huge win; that was an entire minute the offense team was not pushing the payload. Pretty great.
here is a list of characters with good uses:
genji
mccree
pharah
76
reaper
tracer
bastion
hanzo
junkrat
mei
torbjorn
widowmaker
dva
reinhardt
winston
zarya
lucio
mercy
symmetra
zenyatta
so yeah being a hero who has a few redeeming factors only means you don’t share the bottom tier spot with roadhog
i bet if roadhog was a cute (and fat) korean girl y’all would try to argue she isn’t shit tier either