It is a good punish, but difficult to pull off.
The benefit is that c.LK is faster and starts low.
I’ve only seen 2-3 Bison players use it ever… Inoue and Kim.
If it’s a guaranteed punish, there’s no need to do a one-frame link. Do the more common c.LP cs.LP (s.LK) c.MK xx SK/PC.
c.LK s.LK c.MK is great if you can get it … but like SUPARNOVA said it’s tough and rarely used.
If you can get the combo down, then go for it. But if you’re forced to use cr.lk instead of cr.lp, then it’s a -3 situation and you’d have to already be in throw range to land that combo. There aren’t many situations like that (badly spaced Rog lp dash straight).
[LEFT]Ok thanks for the help.[/LEFT]
What did you expect/bait from enemy with stomp-reverse mixup?
hm? Can you reword that I don’t understand what you are asking.
lol. Sorry If I’m not being clear. I am starting to learn Dictator, and I immediately realized that Headstomp and Devil’s reverse have very similar movement ( it’s obvious right? lol). Now I’m asking how the mind games worked. How will enemy usually anticipate when he/she know that you are going to stomp him/her? And what will they do when he/she know that you are actually doing the reverse?
Ah ok;
There is no way to tell if it’s devils reverse or headstomp… that is the beauty of those two moves however both need to be blocked high.
You should try mixing up with empty devils reverse to grab or something, I like that mindgame. Empty reverse into a special too like ex psycho crusher if they will try to tech your grab
Smart players know how to deal with headstomp or reverse, in addition to just walking back they can focus them, however if you EX reverse or headstomp it will punish/armor break them so that’s a mindgame too if you conditioned them to focus your stuff
For me I like using headstomp as wakeup meaty when they are in corner because they don’t have the walking back option they must block high
stomp and reverse mindgames are depended on the player you are facing so my advice would be to watch how your opponent reacts and use your best judgment how to punish them for it or use it to your advantage
Thank’s for the reply. Few more question tho.
Can stomps be punished/AA-ed? Which move should I be cautious with? Srks
How about empty devils? I heard that it’s kinda like safejumps. Is that true?
Headstomps or Devils reverse can be met air to air and knocked out of the air pretty easily.
Also any Headstomp can be punished with a dash forward or back into a big combo. Also you they can use a normal that pushes them forward to make the HS whiff.
DR can be focus crumpled for a big combo unless you use the EX DR follow-up. However characters can absorb one hit of that and backdash if they do it right.
Empty Devils reverse isn’t so good. It is good once as a gimmick into throw or EX PC but they can actually throw you on landing frames if they know you are going to do that.
Honestly I think Headstomp is pretty terrible, besides using it as a punish for someone trying to jump out of the corner.
EX devils reverse is a good escape option on wake-up provided you’re not in the corner at the time.
As user above me said, yes stomps are very, very punishable which makes them situational. They can also be air grabbed by characters who have that
Situations they are okay to use:
- Anti air/jump in read
-meaty wakeup / chip damage (doing it in the corner is safer) - punishing a read fireball (requires timing and a read)
stomp isn’t that good, use it in moderation or as a read.
Devils reverse is okay for building meter but again keep in mind who you are fighting, the distance, if they have ultra ect because some characters can punish Bison when he lands.
Empty reverse isn’t safe unless opponent isn’t expecting it. So again, don’t abuse it.
i have been in been in training mode with bison for sometime now and here are the combos i can do with him:
cr.lk x3>scissors
cr.lp,st.lk,cr.mk>scissors
j.hk,st.hp>scissors>super
st.hp>scissors
what other combos should i learn before i start playing online with him
standing light kick link into roundhouse
s.HP, c.LK xx Scissor.
c.MP, c.MK xx Scissor/Psycho (character dependent)
c.MP, s.HK.
what the heck does english Bison say when he does his back throw? Is it just a grunt… because it almost sounds like he’s shouting out “CAKE!!!”
I just hear slap * slap* slap CAKE! :smokin:
why did capcom ruin M.bison in AE the nerfs make it imposable to beat guile
He’s fine, Guile is still going to be tough. What are you having problems with?
The few minor changes to Bison has almost 0 impact on the Guile matchup. That matchup sucked before and continues to suck for the same reasons.
To be honest got the chance to play ae tonight and I could barely tell a difference. Then again I didn’t have the chance to play our local Zangief either. Did destroy Yang for over 60 sets though.
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How far will standing roundhouse and standing M kicks bring me? I was getting very succesful with these pokes, when they started ducking my roundhouse I would mix it up with M kicks and then CH fish with roundhouses