Did you read? You’re telling me proof doesn’t exist. I’m telling you it’s on YouTube.
No point talking to a brick wall that believes in fairy tails and thinks eyes and hands are his solid facts for if a display is sub frame or fraction of a frame of lag, thinks wifi is almost as good as wired, on top of mouse movements to determine fractions of a frame of lag lol.
Durr did you ? I already posted proof.
My eyes brain and hands told me that the PS3 version of SFIV has around a frame or two of lag compared to the Xbox 360 version. Scientific tests confirm that the lag is exactly 1.3 frames.
Sorry unlike you I have confidence in my own eyes and brain, I nailed nearly the exact amount of input lag.
Anyways I’m done with you guys you go ahead and think “you won” or something or “really stuck it to me”. I give more of a shit about the cleanliness of my shoes than the people in this thread or what they think or don’t think about me.
you also believe the world is flat?
You should give a fuck about playing on laggy as fuck big screens.
But his big ass screen is lagless, his hands and eyes told him, in reality they probably have 4 frames.
Uhh no. And I don’t need anyone or any internet source to tell me the Earth is ROUND. I can look up into the sky and see the ROUND moon, ROUND Venus and ROUND Mars occasionally, so I’m just going to take a wild guess and say my planet is round as well.
Or I can watch unedited footage of the International Space Station which has a beautiful view of the CURVED Earth below. Or various videos of high-altitude flights which show the Earth’s curvature.
So sorry you can spread your disinformation “Flat Earth” nonsense youtube videos elsewhere. And it actually underlines my point why I trust my brain and eyes over what I read on the internet.
And just for the record. I have watched videos on “flat earth”, they are a joke. The argument was, and this was in a very produced, higher than average budget video by a guy called “Jerryism” or something, that if the Earth was round I’d jump and land 50 feet away or something. Or if you took off in a helicopter or something you’d move because the Earth is spinning. Well, I’m no expert but “Gravity” is my answer, and the fact you can jump inside of a Subway train debunks that retardation. Then he said that the stars, moon and planets were some kind of “Ultra HD” projection and the sky was actually just a screen to which I just turned the video off and laughed for a good 30 minutes.
The fact that you equate me with a flat earth believer, all because I tell you I can perceive a frame of input lag, and don’t need scientific measurements I just feel it just like the vast majority of the FGC themselves can, like wtf man?
You can hold whatever stupid misconceptions you have about large screens to yourself and believe what you want.
I literally just hooked a 360 to the most unlaggy of unlaggy screens, an old ass 13" 90’s CRT, and the lag difference between that and my big screen is less than a frame.
Don’t believe me? Cool. Argue with someone else and have a nice day.
The lag is fractions of a frame more than my CRT. I’m confident scientific tests would prove me correct. The difference between 3S on Xbox 360 on CRT vs. my HDTV is less than the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 versions of SFIV, which is 1.3 frames, which I can feel with my hands eyes and brain, and that’s what I’m basing my assumptions on.
What is funny about this. How many FGC players lamented at the initial PS4 version for being laggy, when it was only 2.3 frames above 360, yet everyone felt it? Are they all crazy OMFG flat earth believers lol because they didn’t wait until scientific tests came out to confirm what they felt?
You guy’s all need to explicit language especially you Tensho.
Sure give us your 60" model number, we already know how much input lag a CRT has, let’s compare.
UN60C6300SF
CNET, according to similar Samsung sizes, said 50ms. Complete and utter nonsense. There isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that the set lags 4 frames more than CRT, I just checked. It’s at most, at MOST 1 frame but I don’t think so, I’m saying fractions of a frame.
Plus CNET uses Game Mode for tests which I do not. My guess the reason they got 50ms was because HDL High Dynamic Range Lighting was turned On which is possible in game mode, on by default and most certainly adds 3-4 frames of horrible any retard could notice lag. Turning Game Mode off is even more of a nightmare, I’d guess 10 frames at least.
I’ve noticed a trend with people who lose arguments or get clowned on the internet they run to these pictures or gifs as a desperate last ditch effort to try and save face.
Is that a picture of you? I’m absolutely stunned that you’re actually attractive. Anyways. I gave you the model number, why haven’t you shown me how laggy my set is?
The reason I trust myself over tests. Just take the CNET display test for example. How do I know HDL was turned off? Going by just what’s written it seems they turned on Game Mode and called it a day. In fact I’d say that has to be the case, since there is not 50ms of lag on PC Mode, but with HDL on, which is default, in game mode, there most certainly is 50MS (and it wasn’t my model TV but I’m just assuming it’s close enough). If I really cared enough to prove myself to 3 people on SRK I’d purchase the proper equipment to do my own tests, but unlike the unconfident trolls I have confidence built over 17 years of playing fighting games in my own perceptions. If I can feel 1 frame of lag on the PS3 version of SFIV, and 1 frame of input lag on XRGBMini vintage game consoles connected to BenQ monitors, you bet your ass I’d feel 2,3,4 or more frames. You’d have to be a complete scrub to not be able to tell that much lag just by feel alone.
Not reading that, you lost this game your playing long ago, I and others here are just giving you info, you chose not to listen, all you believe in is your sluggish eyes and hands instead of actual tests. Your TV is laggy and that’s a fact, a few frames more lag than a CRT you didn’t feel the difference so you aren’t as sensitive to lag as you thought. CNET knows how to test TV’s stop trying to prove tests wrong just because you know you’re wrong.
Any other questions?
So if you’re not going to read my posts why should I read yours? It wasn’t even a long post. I think you did read it, it absolutely owned you, so this is some sad loser tactic or something lol.
I already have my solutions, no thanks to you.
I assure you my hands and brain are not sluggish. Anyone who has played me in real life knows the same.
I had to delete an incredibly funny comment because I can’t get baited into being banned. I need this account because I’m buying a pad converter off a member who actually has class and isn’t a troll.
I hope you read it if not well at least I got a laugh out of it. I appologize to other members for missing a funny insult but again I need my Saturn pad so.
Actually your brain lies to you all the time. Its a fact.
But as they say, ignorance is bliss.
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Let’s set up the standard of my brain here.
I can perceive 1.3 frames of lag. Both PS3 SFIV, and XRGBmini Classic consoles have 1.3 and 1 or more frames of input lag, scientifically proven.
I just tested CRT vs my TV set. There is a difference, but it’s less than a frame. My guess is, and this is a GUESS, is that the tv has 10-14ms of lag, CRT under 10 ms of lag.
It’s the same as my 24" and 32" Bravias, and the same as BenQ on 360 or within fractions of a frame, which I can test by walking down the street to my arcade.
You wanna call that ignorance and settle for tiny monitors and paying money to downgrade your size then by all means, I guess ignorance is bliss or hell rather in that case.
The math is simple.
If 10ms is 1/100th of a second, and it is, then in a 60 fps game there will be no lag, because the lag of the display is resolved before the next frame output, 1/60th of a second, is drawn.
So this partially depends on how you measure frames too. Because if you have a 120hz monitor, and you’re rendering your game at 120fps, that means it refreshes at 1/120th or a second, then 1/100th of a second IS frame lag. 20 frames in fact! But they go by so quickly because you’re rendering frames at twice the speed. At 60/fps there isn’t because your screen refreshes slower than 1/100th of a second. Get it? Simple math, and all this matters.
So if you’re measuring frames of lag based on that, and for all I know Cnet is, then that changes things.
Not to mention, and I’m not picking on CNET, but televisions like mine have quirks, game mode by itself does not reach the true potential of this set, you have to know how to do that, as a fellow owner of a similar set knows.
10 ms, 1/100th, that means 20 ms = 2/100ths or 1/50th of a second. You would feel that in a 60fps game. 50ms would be blatant to anyone, and really really bad lag, like what the tv does when it’s either not in game mode or when you have HDL and other features on DURING game mode, which is default. 10 ms isn’t one frame but it’s close, so at 50 you’re looking at 3-5 frames, instantly noticeable and for anyone with standards completely unplayable. HDL on is probably 50ms, Game Mode off is probably beyond it. You don’t need a computer to tell you that is horrible horrible lag.
My standard is simple. Whatever the refresh rate on a CRT/WellsGardner Arcade monitor, whatever that is, that’s my base. Or, in the case of SFIV the 360 on a BenQ is the base. Switching to PS3 introduces a noticeable to my brain increase in lag of 1.3 frames. XRGBMini adds between 1 and 2 frames, also highly noticeable to me on NES, Genesis and SNES games.
Literally just tested and CRT is Faster. Undoubtedly. But it’s not a frames difference. It’s anywhere from .3-.7 frames. Maybe .8 maybe, but I doubt it.
Again the test has to take into account How we are measuring frames, and have a base standard of whatever the lag is on a CRT, which is my base “lagless”. Well hell if CRT produced 20 ms of lag and I didn’t know it, 2 frames or so by default, then we’re arguing semantics, but regardless of what it is and id be curious to know those actual numbers for CRT, everyone could be right in that case, get it?
Anyways nobody here reads big posts or wants to discuss things, they want to argue and yell at whose right or wrong and excercise this group think idea that anyone who thinks for themselves and claims they can feel and perceive 1 frame of lag difference, even though in my real life fighting game experience that’s 9/10 people you ask, we’ll all the power to you.
I know what a frame of lag feels like. What I don’t know is what the base lag is on a CRT, which is what I use as standard. To me ALL LCDs, BenQ or otherwise, have more lag than classic CRT, that’s what I “feel” (oh there’s that word again). But honestly it’s ok and within acceptable range so long as it’s under 1 frame, which my setups now are.
If you want to instead rely on faulty tests like CNETS, go right ahead. I’ll do my own tests one day, but to my knowledge there is no better solution for PS4 than BenQ so that’s my standard I judge by, and I don’t see the community hooking up PS4s to CRTS so…
Good day to you all. Thanks for trolling me I know im good fun.
Stop lying to yourself you’re sounding silly. Your TV is laggy. You can not feel .3 of a frame in lag. No ones talking about 120 fps, fighting games don’t go over 60 fps. You couldn’t even tell your TV was laggy in the first place, stop spouting nonsense, nobody reads big pointless posts trying to prove facts wrong with your wing ding ways of measuring and pretending to feel lag.
You obviously don’t know what a frame of lag feels like on your TV that has 2-3 frames of lag thinking your CRT is only a fraction of a frame faster. You just proved you can’t feel a frame over and over again but keep believe in yourself. Shoo shoo
are you off your meds?
Nothing you’re saying is true! At all!
You don’t have the brain capacity for the deeper posts.
You’re now ignored.
Good day and leave me alone troll.
I’m taking a shower and goin to bed. I already spent way more time on this which was completely pointless/trolls for the most part.
Hye Gais my tv has like zeeero lag but real tests show it has 2-3 frmaez but i can feel a .3 of a frame becauz im supher human! i ask queeston but do no listen becauz fk SRK u liv in bubble think wifi bad but wifi gud, why uz shit benq downgfad montor or gaemmode when huge tvv better and laggless! 40ft eithernet in my house i mean apparment i mean house nowai wifi just same.
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