EX legs is always good for B&B when low on life. Knockdown okizeme, enough said. If you replace it with short jab jab fierce etc, you don’t have that come back factor or much of a mix up after.
EX SBK is just a tool. It’s best used when they’re concentrating on how to break your blocking + techs. That means you have to do a lot of blocking and good teching beforehand.
+1 Magman. I start using ex sbk, not when i scare but when i see my opponent is confident cause i block a lot
It’s more complicated.
Go in training mode. Pick Honda in player1 and Sagat player 2. Record sagat doing high tigershot.
Putyou at mid screen from him and try to avoid those tiger shot with a “normal crouch”. By normal crouch i mean you input neutral down (2) or down forward
You will get hit by the tiger shot.
Now switch your normal crouch by “cancel crouch”. By cancel i mean you input down back (1 if you are left side and 3 if you are right side)
You will avoid the tiger shot.
(Credits : Alioune Sensei)
Conclusion you can crouch faster if your opponent attack you and when you try to block but since a throw is not an attack, you will crouch slower no matter what your input are
So even if you are unthrowable during 2 frames on your wake up it’s not enough to let you crouch at time and avoid the holligan throw.
We can make a supposition like a normal crouch take 4 frames and a cancel crouch is instant
Perhaps it’s already happen to somebody here.
In neutral game you try to avoid a hooligan throw and you get grab though you are 100 % sure you tried to crouch at the last moment.
Now you will understand why. It’s not the lag
cool, i have read somewhere in the srk forums that u can crouch cancel by “spaming” jabs to avoid the meaty grabs such as hakan super, guy´s grab and so on… dunno if it works tho
Malvadisco, i don’t know too but that make sense, thx !!!
A crouch normal move is “instant” (if not how could we do combo) so it’s like a “cancel crouch” and since you have 2 unthrowable frame, i assume you can use this window to crouch faster.
But you need to do a reversal normal move so it’s why they said “spams”.
I will try in training mode with rapidfire to see.
Now i’m thinking most of the time people do cr jab versus cammy on neutral game to beat hooligan. They hit her airborn most of the time but they avoid to get grab at least
Ultra 2 vs Bison.
More specific on what SnakeAes said about M. Bison - df.lk will beat headstomp and lead into ultra 2 if you choose to go that route.
How many bisons use headstomp not meaty on wake up??? Just saying
Vs. Guile
Wanted to add a tid bit of information on the guile match up, not sure that it isn’t already covered somewhere in this huge bulk of replies or whether or not you all feel it’s relevant…however since I have found it quite useful here it is -
standing close mp (the double slap) will beat out all of Guiles’ close jump ins.
hmm, I just think of it more as a deterrent to the headstomp/purple fist that a lot of bison players play around with once in awhile. I suppose I didn’t see what the original context was of Snake’s post. You’re quite right in that point.
yea i dont really see alot of high level bison players use headstomp much… its more spam abused by fairly new bison players
good bison players know its not hard to beat…unlike new ones
I understand what you mean when you say that if nobody has done it, then it is impractical therefore useless. I don’t agree with that line of thought. I’ve provided a solution that I already know is possible to achieve with training. Whether or not there is someone willing to rise to that level would make me happy, but isn’t really my business.
I can consistently safe jump Sagat after sweeping him. I mess up sometimes, but usually I get it right. This is a 2 frame safe-jump and it’s what would be a more apt comparison to the defensive option select, which is 2-frames of blocking. You cannot safe-jump a 3 frame uppercut–that is impractical because it’s* impossible*.
I don’t fight a good Akuma, but this is theory fighter that I have tested to be true in training mode.
What happens if you mess up? You block or you get thrown by demon flip.
yout name starts with Lud, that’s crazy… we must be brother.
Or there’s multiple versions of you, like Shattered Dimensions.
What tools do you guys use to handle fei’s Chicken Wing? I have been finding that cw is ridiculously hard to deal with from within about three quarter screen away. The only effective way I’ve found to deal with it is to neutral jump it when I see it coming. tips? Suggestions?
Also I need some tips against Claw. I played a really good Vega recently and this is what his observations were
In my mind these are good tips for any matchup but do frame traps work better on charge characters? Does anyone have any ‘save that shit for nationals’ type frame traps they wanna share?
against claw and rog yes, dictator its not going to happen very often imo, i have done it to some guiles tho… anyways the standard cr.lp, step, cl.hk work wonders against almost every match up, u just need to figure out the best oportunity to do it nevertheless. The way i do it is about training them into tech after the blocked cr.lp (easier said than done), some ppl just mash OS crouch tech (easy to frame trap them), but the ones that uses late tech (or just reacting to the throws), standing tech or late os crouch tech are a pain in the ass, cuz basically u have to read what are going to use to tech, cuz any of the above cant be frame trapped; against standing tech mix cr.lk BnB, when dealing the late os crouch tech i mix some lk hasanshus, as you can see its a mix up situation depending on your opp knowledge about teching, thats my 2 cents u can take ir or leave it (i hope magman approve this ;_
You could do that… but my friend has discovered a more effective method to punish is using cr. mp. Not only does this lower her hitbox but she can cleanly duck under his attack. I’ll try to get him to share a replay with me so I can upload it.
Vs Abels who like doing CoD 1hit then go for mixups like TT, EX TT, 2nd hit of CoD etc, whats the best way of dealing with that mixup? just backdash?
st.mk on reaction
I use cr. HP to deal with Fei. It’s 20 less damage, but it avoids the occasional dreaded back+MK (a mistake I make sometimes when I forget to stop charging and pay for it). It also dodges the CW/EX CW if he decides to do it from semi-close range.
it really depends on the player, but i would likely backdash the first and maybe second time the situation comes up to see if he option selects to punish you. other than that you can risk lk hazanshu. you may eat cl.hp but you’ll be off the ground and get a soft knockdown and a chance to escape