Become the Jaguar Assassin: Adon's AE match up and strategies thread

Durant · July 9, 2011, 1:35am

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Abel

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First and foremost your general plan for this match up is to keep Abel the hell away from you and bait him towards you for you can attempt to knock him down and make him your bitch. If he blocks the cross up do the basic j.mk, s.lp, c.lk link but rather than doing a knee do a weak jaguar tooth to get you out of harms way and it will allow you start some mix up mind games with the tooths and hopefully throw Abel off his game. This works even greater if the Abel has Breathless because if the player ends up getting frustrated and attempts to grab you with Breathless you can just armor break it with a rh. jaguar tooth and really start throwing Abel around.

Souless isn’t as easy though so be careful if Abel is using that Ultra also keep a look out for Sky Fall since it can really wreck Adon. Try not to use Roundhouse to much in this match up because after a while any decent Abel will learn to tornado throw you during the animation ( I believe only the weak and ex throws have the range to do that I’d have to look at my replays some more and get back to you.) neutral fierce seems to work as a better poke in this match up. All in all your general plan with Abel is to keep him away from you and play some mind-games with him until he does something he shouldn’t have done and you can just run in and let him have it. Just take your time and you’ll do fine here Abel is sort of a Cody case and doesn’t have many options on wake up so the second you knock him down if you play your cards right you can end him pretty quick.

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Abel, punish wheelkicks with LK jk if you judge the distance is right, ex is safe of course.
His rekkas should be punished like this: First hit is throwable on block (ex included, but tighter). The timing is tight, you might want to plink your throw. So after you block the first hit, attempt a throw, if he does the second hit you will block it, now you can freely punish with a RJ, doesn’t matter if he does the third hit. It’s pretty hard to do it in matches and I still miss but that’s the idea.
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I played a great abel yesterday so I might offer a little advice. First, don’t let him bet away with jump ins. This seems obvious but it’s very important as if you block one little jump it could mean a world of pain that could have been avoided. s.RH will be an useful tool for keepaway and since it’s two hits it might catch the ex rekka. s.MP also works well, he doesn’t have a poke to compete with that and the recovery is better than HK if he jumps, rolls or something.

Keep him in check with jaguar kicks. I don’t think he can beat them cleanly as they armor break and snuff about any normal. Don’t try to jump out of his throw mixups, it just means eating way more damage if he doesn’t actually throw and resets the combo. Either backdash or RJ, jumping is not worth it. Once he’s in it IS bad for you no matter what but I think adon has the tools to keep him out.

Frankly the matchup seemed way easier once I shut down jump ins completely because approaching from the ground is much harder for him, then you can harass him and chip away with ground jaguar kicks and I don’t think he has an answer to that other than trying to make you whiff, but with his slow walk speed it’s not easy. I need to test HK jaguar kicks against throws. It does not seem to get airborne on frame 1 but still looks decent for avoiding ticks (not wakeup throws though).

Also ultra 2…that thing is a bitch. Either scare him of doing it with enough jaguar kicks, if you actually jumped and he does it, you can try to change the air trajectory with a jaguar kick.
It was still hard as fuck to play though but that’s because the player was very good at mixups. I just ate a lot of throws. I’d say most annoying thing in the match is the roll. You can’t afford to let him get away with random ones because it does hurt your options pretty good so try to bait him into it.
Also, once he turtles up, remember you have basically the best dash in the game and maybe one of the only ones useful to RTSD, love it.

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I actually feel this is an even or good match up for Adon. You have answer for fireballs (Ultra1, jk, ex jk air jk, tooth or super ) and You can beat alot of his normals. For me this matchup comes down to AAing jump ins, forward dashing jump in fireball then punishing the landing frames, forward dashing cross up tatsu, beating out akumas RH w/ adon’s RH or s. MK and whiff punishing Akumas low forward with low strong. for some reason, Adon has very fast wake up frames so alot of safe jump set ups aren’t safe when you have ex because you can actually ex rj them before they hit the ground. MK rj might work as well. Once you limit alot of Akuma’s options they will be forced to play footsies on the ground with you, and that’s where adon’s strength lies. Another important thing to note about this match is that you shouldn’t do ground jk or tooth when he has demon. Also, any character with an upper cut can be baited by jumping in then using air jk to go over them and make the upper cut whiff. It’s actually pretty awesome because then they stop AAing you and you get free jump in pressure. Use sparingly though.

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Blanka

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Alright, lemme see if I can contribute anything useful… this is going to be so random…:
blankas elecrticty can’t be stuffed at point blank, but at footsie range, c mp does the job. outside of that, jk or c hk.

Went in training mode to test against electricity and found that spacing is very vital here. His electricity will fuck you up point blank. If crouched close but not getting shocked best to use c lk which goes under the sparks. From further out (distance tested was under timer while blanka in corner) best to use c mk, c rh, s mp (was surprised at this one but there were some trades if i was not in the exact position to hit Blanka’s head), c mp (this one is a gamble and i got shocked or traded) in that order. Jaguar kicks are not recommended, especially ex. Spacing required is strict and only allowed me one hit out of the EX JK.

You can rising jaguar but your execution better be on point. Anyone familar with Saitou’s Zero stance? (Ruroni Kenshin) For those unfamilar, please note that there can be no movement. Adon literally has to rising jaguar or else he will be shocked. Basically win or go home mentality here. EX version more lenient in terms of distance.

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I don’t feel like writing long strats until next week however I’ll share my experience with blanka because most are having trouble vs him. This isn’t foolproof or anything, it’s just what I’ve been doing.

vs Blanka: AKA who has more dedication to turtle that shit.

The blanka player most likely wants to turtle, you have to turtle harder. Basically he doesn’t have safe approaches and you do with jagkicks. If you poke he will want do ball as it beats most of the things you could do. Punish him of course with lk JK. 130 damage everytime.

When you shut down his balls, his options get reduced, now he will have to use his not so stellar pokes. Nothing you can’t handle. If you have the lead his approaches will be either faking the lp ball into throw, so learn the distance for that, sit at that distance and try to bait him into doing lp ball, then throw him as he recovers. You’ll either throw him or tech, doesn’t matter, they will figure that this option is useless against you now. There may be something they could do to counter that but I haven’t seen it so far, I either throw the mediocre blankas or tech against those with good timing. Maybe offline it is easier to throw them out of the recovery. Hops can be jabbed/c.mp-ed or whathever so they shouldn’t be much of a concern.

Then comes jumpins. It is imperative that you do not let him jump. If you let him jump you will have to face his tick throws, his crossup bullshit and his post blocked electricity advantage, this is not good for you. Even if you whiff a poke, it doesn’t matter, if you see him in the air as you’re recovering input HK jaguar kicks anyway. If you recover he eats it, if you’re still in the animation and have to eat the jump in you’d have eaten it anyway. If you were maining a character without a SRK type move before, let go that habit of “he jumped over my poke I have to block the jumpin”.

Now he can’t jump, can’t ball and can’t hop. Start chipping with jaguar kicks, and start building a little bit of offense and mixups but still stay in a dirty turtle mindset.

If he gains the lead he will turtle so stay calm, don’t rushdown, approach slowly, try to create an opening but don’t overdo it.

That’s how I play the matchup. So far everytime I lost against blankas I fucked up ball punishes or let them jump and had to deal with mixups, which has everything to do with my reflexes. I played a few decent blankas but maybe I’m missing some things. Feel free to add or correct me, or even post counters to what I posted.

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Blanka:

I posted my strategy before and it’s still the same, he can’t do shit against you if you’re not doing anything. Don’t hurry to get a lead, you will have it if you’re patient. At max range he can’t do anything without being punished. Advance slowly to mid range which is where the fun begins. Now he can do a few things. Empty ball into throw/ball mixup, which is easily beat by having the correct timing on your throw tech. Just tech when he would be about to hit you and you’ll block a real ball or tech, maybe punish, a fake one. If he hops, low jab that shit. if he jumps, ANTIAIR HIM. You will lose if you don’t, he will start his crossup and electricity shenanigans and it’s hard to deal with. Focus then punish rainbow rolls and that shit.
If you do the turtle part right, we will be left with basic options and turtling, now you can start chipping with jagkicks and baiting a mistake. Even rushing down.
Blanka can only be safejumped if he has no ex meter.

Viper

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I agree with most of what you said except vs Viper.
I know a good viper and played him plenty, it was hard at first but I think it’s more like 6-4 adon once you know her. Burning kicks are a pain but you just have to take it and block sometimes, don’t press random buttons or focus and dash if you really have doubts. It’s ambigous but not THAT much. You can see it most of the time.
For the rest, lk jagkick shuts down her seismo bullshit completely. She has low life like adon so she can’t block too many jagkicks. She has mediocre antiair and she’s very easy to safejump. Just don’t be surprised by ex burning kick reversal, it’s kinda weird. EX seismo is slow and punishable and thunder knuckle is lame. Basically her footsie game is much worse than adon’s but once she gets a KD she can kill you. It’s hard for her if you play it safe and if you don’t do mistakes on wakeup. Also in the corner various jagkicks rape her hard.

NegroDinamita:

For the viper matchup I feel that its a very hard matchup but you have to make her respect you for it to be a little bit easier for you

I usually come at her full force when shes meterless because her main option is thunder knuckle and you can just predict those, really just try to work her in the corner and confuse her with tick throws and over heads she will eventually try to lash out with something but if you keep her at a good range you will see it coming.

But when she has meter you must respect her no special move is safe ex seismo eats em up, Try to use low forward and standing hard kick and try to make her use her meter when she doesnt have to but be cheeky with jaguar kick cancels because like I stated before ex seismo will beat you every time.

Now when viper is on the offensive you must know when you can strike I often discourage pressing buttons when she hits you with a burnkick because she is at the advantage and she can easily stuff you, remember burn kicks can be focused but do not rely on that because viper can still punish you if she lands behind you.
I feel as if I got lucky but when viper does a burnkick over your head and you have some kind of breathing room to do a move I used light rising jaguar to escape it but she can still punish you with low forward but it is a little gimmick I found while playing against viper.

Durant · July 9, 2011, 1:40am

Cammy

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Cammy: if you ever block her DP, either standing hard kick, or walk a little forward, standing hardkick, always hit. either both hits or the last hit. Great free damage. It always hits for me. Jumping agaisnt her is scary even for cross up So don’t do it so much. BE cautious in this fight. Her block strings are annoying and i feel if you ever let up on blocking to retaliate she’ll DP you. But if you can guess her DP and do block it. HK it, and get her thinking twice about doing it, and maybe you can move in for some grabs or bait or overheard combo with his jaguar crunch, crouching lk, rising jaguar/or super, (if you’re great with 1 frame links), or if shes blocking high, crouching lk, RJ lk, FADC into U2. If they EVER spam spiral arrow from a far, HK jaguar tooth free damage(seeing as you don’t at all or so much), if its the long one. (but ofcourse that’ll barely or never happen with good players but just for spammers you’re dealing with online)

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Once in a while I like to focus>backdash out of cammy’s pressure, even on wakeup. It resets the situation. Keynote is sometimes, not always, as she can punish you. I think the only really good punisher for badly spaced drills is reversal LK RJ. Her DP is more punishable than it looks. You can dash forward then whathever you want, but it requires to be quick.

I don’t go for crossups against her, her small hitbox makes her autocorrect too often. I safejump instead. Safejump crossup would be good if you can time it. For random divekicks, stand MK or jabs work most of the time but there’s a sweet spot where it’s hard to counter with normals, I’d just focus>backdash or try to lvl 2 focus but thaat requires a bit of prediction. Talking about focus, cammy does not have good breakers in general. She’s definitely not FREE to focuses either tho. She has pretty bad normals. I don’t master the c.MP/throw tech OS against the dive kick mixups (you tech with MP+LP+LK, MP comes out and beats divekicks, throw tech input is still valid), but it should be useful to learn to time it well.

Chun Li

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I’ve spent the last few nights putting in a few hours with one of the best Chun-Lis in Sydney, and possibly Australia. Here’s what I’ve learned.

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This match is all footsies. st.lp, st.mp and st.lk are your money pokes. Spaced properly, they will stuff the majority of Chun’s footsies game, and if you get it wrong you’ll usually get a trade anyway. Beware her sweep, it’s unfuckwithable. Even trading with it leaves you in a bad way. If you feel one coming, get a focus ready.

Save your EX for RJ FADC U2 and for EX JK to punish sloppy fireballs. EX is preferable since wake-up pressure is a big factor in this match and the person who can maintain it will most often win. This tilts things a bit towards our favour since Adon has an easier time of escaping than Chun.

cr.lk, cr.lk, lk RJ will sometimes whiff on a crouching Chun. Substitute EX RJ where the spacing looks a bit long. Check it out in training mode to get an idea of the right distance for LK RJ.

You can use Jaguar Revolver if you think your reflexes are amazing, but you really want the thread of RJ FADC U2 to keep her honest when the game gets to close range. Her fireballs are punishable with MK/EX Jaguar Kicks. You’ll usually get a couple of these reasonably free off of the first few fireballs because of the Chun-Li habit of following their fireballs when they approach.

Avoid Jaguar Tooth unless you’re 100% sure of a hit since a blocked one will leave you eating a string of jabs and a possible Hazanshou mixup.

Don’t get caught down-backing too often. You’ll see Hazanshous and instant-overhead j.HKs come your way. If you feel like you can block those on reaction, by all means go ahead and bait them by crouching alot. Punish hazanshou with cr.mk xx MK RJ (FADC Ultra if you can) when you block it.

Most importantly: keep a cool head. Being knocked down and eating some pressure isn’t the end of the world. If you panic and go for OS techs or reversals, you’re going to eat an Ultra. Chun only needs to land EX legs to connect her Ultra 2, and that can be acheived by landing a cr.lk. Every hit counts for both players in this match.

NegroDinamita:

Frankly the chun matchup shouldnt be that hard once you get in, but thats the problem most of the time just getting in.

I like to use adon’s walk speed to get in its the safest option.If you do use special moves use his IAJK specifically the hard one it covers the most area also if you delay it you can punish her hard punch if she tries to AA you. RESPECT HER NEUTRAL JUMP ROUNDHOUSE I say this because that move is retarded in my book it punishes most of adons specials but if you time it right you can walk under her and use is cl.hk to shut it down but you gotta be quick you can safe jump her ex bird with his forward throw hard punch and you can rising jagga os her back dash so you can keep her in place but be on your toes when she has meter your health will go away quick if youre not careful. When it comes to footsies just keep it at the normal mid range and watch out for her sweep you can punish it with light jagga kick if you time it right either way it gets you in. Make sure you AA her any chance you get so that she’ll be forced to stay on the ground do not try to air to air her you can be air grabbed and double fierced into some other combo. Also if you do get in with a jagga tooth or jagga kick try not to go for the cross up as much or jump in pressure most chuns just jump up and target combo but if you’re playing footsies and you’re on equal ground jump in but dont make a habit of it

-U1 does punish her kikoshos or free jump in at the right range

ex jagga tooth does not go through her u2

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Deejay

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Just want to add a pair of matchup write-ups partially for reinforcing it in my own memory and partially to just add whatever of this is valid into the overall pool of info.

Adon vs. Dee Jay

If you were playing this for the first time against a decent Dee Jay it would likely seem to be in Dee Jay’s favor. As long as DJ continues to back off, going for jaguar kicks will just get beaten clean on reaction with slide and so will all of it’s aerial variations (jumping over a Max Out too early and doing a hk aerial jag for instance will earn you a nice sweep as well). Some greater analysis will show that it is relatively even or maybe even slightly in Adon’s favor. It’s all about having a patient strategy for getting in and using all of your options once relatively close to keep him guessing (and he will be doing a more and more of it the closer Adon gets inside).

I would say the general key to getting around Dee Jay’s Max out game is to try and use your walk speed to vary which zone you are in and use all of your options to try and get him to commit to being in a position you can exploit. These options include pretending your trying to get closer, then suddenly walking away to a farther distance and neutral jumping over/instant aerial jag kicking over at a distance he can’t punish, focusing up a little closer, or backdashing away intentionally, and walk forward > block. His punish options basically include sliding any poorly spaced jabs, Upkicking jump-ins and or jumping back roundhouse after obvious baits. Think of where he needs to be standing to use any of those punishes and be slippery by staying just out of punishing reach. Remember that even though he has an easier time stopping Jags than most characters, your still the one who can put a giant hitbox out in front of your character, not him. Try to make him feel that his efforts to try and get free damage off of zoning are futile and that it’s a matter of time before you are in. Because you are the one with the jaguar kick, the more time spent tap dancing around is more time that will likely be spent by Dee Jay doing one of two things: 1. slowly walking himself into the corner or 2. Trying to be sneaky about when he leaves his charge so he can put himself in a position where he can stop you from tap dancing over everything he does.

If one happens, congratulations, now you can try and predict this, and walk forward in-sync with his forward movement/bid for positioning or jaguar kicking any hesitation on his part to followup with whatever he wanted to do. Since Adon is now in a better position and Dee Jay lost his charge, it will be pretty difficult for him to contend with jags, which is exactly what Adon wants. One perfectly spaced jag and you are basically in as every adon player knows. Once he’s at the defensive end of a perfectly spaced jag he does have some unique options. If he was able to block it then he can do his little short hop kick thing and knock you out of a followup, if he has charge, then he may be able to beat it with EX Sobat. Since he’s waiting to react then it becomes obvious what to do in this situation; you use this opportunity to inch forward and harass him with pokes, twitching and going for an HK jag a little later then he expected (especially useful in the corner) and ocassionally walk up throw (this is your last option, most of the time should be spent trying to play with his reactions before going to this option). C. Strong > S. Fierce is a pretty good poke sequence here, since c.strong is positive on block and s.fierce will stuff a short hop attempt (and may beat a few of his normals as well). Showing focus here once in a while isn’t too bad if you do it at the right time, because then you can get him to start thinking “Sobat” and you can get over those eassily with preemptive HK Jag.

The wakeup games applied here are a little weaker for both charaters then they normally are. Adon’s fast wakeup makes starting Dee Jay’s crossups a little harder for him, but of course Dee Jay also can’t really be crossed up so he will have to play chicken on Dee Jay’s wakeup as well. I did a s.fierce with late OS tech timing on Dee Jay’s wakeup a few times and it beat reversal MGU clean, but I didn’t get it to work everytime, so some training might be needed to get the magic timing. Adon’s best bet is still to get Dee Jay in the corner where he can force him to guess and be annoying at the same time.

Dhalsim

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Dhalsim
You can utilize the same tactics on Sim, but not as freely. This one you really have to rely on being defensive, whilst being the counter-aggressor. In this match-up, I’ll rely on counter-aggression in the latter portion of a round, especially if I’m far ahead in health. I fill the rest of the match by being very defensive. Get far. Constantly neutral jump. Do a lot of repeat LKJT from far away. Sneak in a HK/EXJT which will hit if you’re smart when using it. All this will inevitably make Sim become the aggressor, just what we want. Then, cleverly, become the counter-aggressor to whatever he attempts. Most of the time he’ll try to fluster you with empty-gain teleports, then sneak with a teleport that gets him close to do what he’s planning, but you already know what he’s going to do (or hopefully you do haha) and counter it. Most of the time it’s a poke, stretch poke, yoga fire, or slide. Be smart with your focus attacks during this phase, they aren’t expecting sudden aggressiveness so they won’t properly stop it most of the time. Also, grab as much as you can. Even if it lands in techs, it will fluster the Sim. Constantly mimicking Sim will either cancel out (which will give you the chance to be counter-aggressive afterward if you’re creative), a trade in your favor, or punishment in your favor. So basically, be counter-aggressive and mimic are the general themes here. Lastly, during this phase of Sim being the aggressor, don’t be scared to poke. Use Adon’s good pokes (MP, MK, HK, HP, crMK, crHK [mainly good in this situation only]) then get the hell out of there. You can LKJT, back jump, or if you’re ballsy (which is good once in a while), nJumpMK -> throw, or just throw. Basically, make sure the poke combo is short and you quickly find a way out of being punished, because you will if it gets too long or you turtle poking distance from Sim. This isn’t foolproof, but it’s more or less a good template for fighting Sim with Adon, and should be a basis for your tactics. I think the best way to see its effectiveness is seeing a replay of mines against Sim.

-Key Tips:
–Be cautious. Very, very cautious.
—Always stay at least screen distance and away from any attacks. The only trouble you’ll get is mostly a well placed yoga fire. Other than that, Sim will get impatient and close-in. That should be the only time you can be close. But get far away again shortly after.
-----The key to mimicking Sim, grab a lot. Chances are you’ll grab when he does, because Sim relies on it. If you get good at this, you’ll be landing more grabs then him. A well placed crossup almost guarantees this. Also, mix up nThrow with bThrow. Really throws them off, and gets you back at being a far distance.
------FEAR THE KNEE ! ! !
-------If you use this tactic effectively, you’ll most likely never get hit by Sim’s Ultra II, which really isn’t his best, so punish Sim for using it. 8D

Dudley

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Dudley: like others before this post. Standing hk and ranged pokes are awesome in this fight. Your cross up mk can annoy him very badly since it’ll be stopping him from uppercutting. heck you can grab him out of uppercuts if you guess it. Unless he ex the upper cut. Hk jaguar kick on his wake up, it’ll trade good damage agaisnt his uppercut, or if he goes for a short swing blow, you’ll hit since you both go in one direction and come back together (unless he waits.) Jaguar tooth on block for them, I been able to grab them successfully after. I feel they can’t do uppercut as an option after they block jaguar tooth, seeing as you could grab them out of it so a choice will probably be tech your grab or ex uppercut(block if you see meter punish after) or ex backswing blow(block and punish, or maybe grab beats this I don’t remember.)

Durant · July 9, 2011, 1:41am

E. Honda

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Fei Long

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VS Fei:
Chickenwing and c.MP are the main ennemies. c.MP chains into itself and has huge priority. iAJK is quite useful here during footsies, as well as normal JKs, to avoid being raped by one button. Chickenwing…goddamn. Don’t abuse stand HK, chickenwings somehow go over it. Stand MK is quite good in footsies if he’s not abusing c.MP, but if you mistime it you can eat chickenwings into combo, which fuckin hurt. Rekkas are not that scary, just stand MK or whathever should stop them.
CW kinda function like your jaguar kicks, in that you can react to them and rising jag/ultra if they’re done at max range, but forget it if they are done closer as the hitbox will reach you too soon. He can also escape crossups and stuff with his CW somehow. I think that can be punished with OS LK JK but I’m really not good at OS. It can also backfire for him if the CW goes the wrong way so be ready to punish. Other tools to watch out is his overhead, while not particularly fast or anything, jumps over many things and sets up his nasty close up game which I think is better than adon’s.
While it’s not impossible to win or anything, I can’t seem to have the edge in this matchup due to how retarded CWs are.
Also be careful of empty jumps, he has a strange hitbox in the air if he doesn’t press buttons and antiairs will whiff easily.
Maybe 6-4 fei.

Gen

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Durant:

Gen if in Crane stance (one hand behind him) has a very floaty jump. If you see him in that stance be wary of cross ups. His Oga kick (where he bounces to the wall) can be dangerous if unexpected. Best to block. When it falls on top of you, block the normal way. It will only cross up if you are in the corner and that only happens once Gen lands but block as if the attack is coming from the front. For the most part, Gen in Crane stance is an ass bandit. If he can get behind you, he will rape you with his stuff. Further watch out for his cr lk (Crane stance). Just getting hit with it puts you in a juggle state which they can connect to their super or Crane U1 (if in corner). To block Crane U2 you must block high. Nothing sucks more than getting hit with Maximum Gen. Also its a sucky counter but if you have U1 and input just as Gen moves with U2 you can escape or punish but for only 180 damage. This might be useful if trying to take down a dying Gen but blocking high maybe less risky. Edit if you are on the ground you can jump forward or back depending on spacing to get out of it.

Gouken

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Guile

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Just for reference: The point which to input a reversal on Sonic Hurricane is when the camera angle changes to the back of guile. You have a split second to input a reversal right before Guile says “Hurricane”. Look out for “Sonic” and then its like 2 seconds before the “Hurricane”. If knocked down, you can use ex jt to escape. No problems if guile’s back is to the corner.

Guy

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Guy: Just know that he can beat your tooth in the air with his many grabs, or if hes on the ground that hard kick of his will beat your jaguar tooth if he see’s it coming. But if you happen to knock down guy. You know guy will probably go for his ex hurricane kick he has maybe or grab depending what your bending his mind to do. If he goes for Ex hurricane kick, before he wakes up if you guess it and do HK jaguar kick, you’ll go right through it and slam him out of it. If he does it a little late, you’ll trade or he hits you out of it. Trade is in your favor. while hes in corner, Cross up mk into combo’s posted at the combo thread ar amazing here. If you see him jumping over you pretty close, cl. hardpunch is pretty good here. If hes jumping towards you from a far, neutral jump hard punch is great if you do it to late though, he’ll grab you.

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Some Guy match up notes

-He can do his command air throw out of ALL your specials. Air JK, JK, Rising Jaguar on start up, and Jaguar tooth (almost anytime if your playing against someone with great reactions)

-He can’t back dash against you or else that is a free rising jaguar

-Watch your cross ups when he has meter because his EX tatsu hits both sides

-Crouching fierce works well against bushin flip. I also tried close Roundhouse but that move is totally unreliable most of the time

-When Guy is in the corner…HE IS DANGEROUS. He can set you up with his target combo reset/vortex (it puts you in the corner). In those instances I will dash under the bushin flip out of the corner or crouch firece, but he has options, he can also do command slide or tatsu so you have to react to whatever he does.

-Mix up your throw game and blockstrings. I feel Adon has a good throw game and a good throw at that. Do cr. LK, cr. LP, cr. LP, walk up throw or f. mp(overhead). Jump MK (cross up or not) throw or go into a block string

-If the match gets close use normals, Adon has good pokes, and play it safe, Standing roundhouse, standing fierce etc.

-Last thing if Guy has ultra 2 and this also goes for any grapple Ultra (Ibuki, Gief, Hakan etc.) Never do EX jaguar tooth. You can get punished by reversal ultra. I tried many times to jump out and you can’t. Guy’s ultra 2 is an easy ultra to jump out of on reaction but something about EX JT makes it easy for Guy to do reversal Ultra.

Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

Guy: Just know that he can beat your tooth in the air with his many grabs, or if hes on the ground that hard kick of his will beat your jaguar tooth if he see’s it coming. But if you happen to knock down guy. You know guy will probably go for his ex hurricane kick he has maybe or grab depending what your bending his mind to do. If he goes for Ex hurricane kick, before he wakes up if you guess it and do HK jaguar kick, you’ll go right through it and slam him out of it. If he does it a little late, you’ll trade or he hits you out of it. Trade is in your favor. while hes in corner, Cross up mk into combo’s posted at the combo thread ar amazing here. If you see him jumping over you pretty close, cl. hardpunch is pretty good here. If hes jumping towards you from a far, neutral jump hard punch is great if you do it to late though, he’ll grab you.

Hakan

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Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

Against Ibuki: As someone who played/plays a bit of Ibuki in SSF4, I know very well ibuki is a very dangerous character! 1 Target Combo = ~25% of an average healthbar? eugh. So with this match up, I play it very defensively when I can. A Jump Back => Kunai Throw is a very good opportunity for one to use Jaguar Tooth to move in, just make sure you don’t run into that kunai. A Focus Attack can also be a very good way to move in on a ibuki player, absorbing those kunai throws as a way to lessen the gap between the two characters. Whenever ibuki jumps in, make sure to block up and watch out for very tricky target combos. Whenever they jump back, down guard since they’ll probably try to slide in on you. If you see them try headstomp, I believe you can do a Jaguar Tooth to hit them in mid air and use that to either set yourself into a U2 hit or rising jaguar combos. Otherwise, block up. You’ve got to be very careful when ibuki jumps in on you though, because her next attack could be nearly anything. It’s best to try to keep her away from you at all times except for when you are on the offense, using those normals mentioned above, they are very good anti-ninja tools.

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Juri

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Ken

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If fighting a lp dp whore wait till Ken says “Ryu” and attack at that frame. If you blocked a shoryuken, let go of block at “Sho” and start hitting st rh to repay him the service. I also found cr mp - cr fp useful.

M. Bison

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I had played bushido impact tournament. And i had lost 10 match again M.Bison in freeplay.
I give you few information on this match-up.
I had played again M.Bison very offensive

Short range:M.Bison made zoning with a s.MK and s.HK
-To break his : s.MK,s.MK =+8 (M.Bison frame trap)for ADON to break it
s.MK,s.HK =+10 for ADON to break it
s.HK,s.HK =+12 for ADON to break it
s.HK,s.MK =+10 for ADON to break it
All those frames traps can be break with cr.MP ( frame execution= 5 ).

Middle range :
In this range you must be mind cr.HK, Double Knee Press and Psyco Crusher.

-M.Bison’s cr.HK: In training mode you can see you must have 2 squares between ADON & M.Bison to cr.HK be safe. If M.Bison don’t respect this range cr.hk can whiff(far range) or block (short range) and in this case you can punish him (-10 on block).

Double Knee Press: If M.Bison make 2 hits on block you can punish him with Rising Jaguar(lk)
-DKP(lk): = +0 on block you can’t punish
You can break it with Focus (in training mode you must have 2 square between you).
-DKP(MK): If M.Bison make it in short range you can punish (-5 on block)
You can break it with Focus (in training mode you must have 3 square between you).
-DKP(HK):If M.Bison make it in short range you can punish (-8 on block)
You can break it with Focus (in training mode you must be in far range).

Psycho Crusher: All PC make 2 hits

-PC(lk): short range; punish (-8 on block)
-PC(MK): middle range or far range; punish (-14 on block)
-PC(HK):far range;punish (-17 on block)

Far range:

-Head Press: If you make back dash or foward dash the H.P can whiff and after you can punish him.
-Somersault Skull Diver can be break by a Focus.
-Devil Reverse: Can be break by a Focus.

Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

Something nice I found vs bison:
LK scissors are kind of a pain on block. Even tho he’s only at 0, it’s much easier for him to stuff your shit. You might think he’s ripe for a jumping at that range (bison close antiairs suck VS your j.HP) but if he does c.lk he will catch you pre-jump.
For some weird fucking reason, if you block the second hit of lk scissors standing, you can jump on him at this range and he won’t be able to hit you pre-jump. Unfortunately you’re not at crossup distance but it’s worth a shot. I don’t know why you can jump out of scissor loop if you block standing, it doesn’t seem to give you more advantage to stuff him or anything. I tried it with ryu and it doesn’t work for him, he gets hit by c.lk, dunno about other characters.

Makoto

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You want to refrain from throwing out random jaguar tooths as Makoto has various ways to beat it. You are better off using jaguar kick to stop her advances.

Oni

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Edit: Sorry if it’s a long read. Tried to categorize it somewhat for easier reference.

Long range options (AKA get to mid range):
-LK JK
-Walk, block vs fireballs
-FA > backdash vs fireballs
-n.Jump > LK AJK vs fireballs
-HK JT is not recommended. LP Soul Spark moves very slowly and you’ll likely just crash into it. By proxy, other versions of JT aren’t recommened since their main use is to mix-up with HK JT.

Mid range options:
-Rose’s strength lies in her footsies. Generally, you’d use MK JK to counter-footsie, but a well-timed slide goes under it. So ideally, you want to stay slightly outside of her slide range and do either an HK JK or LK AIJK in place (safer). Neutral Jump tactics also work as long as you stay unpredictable.
-Far HK and Far HP get stuffed by slide. When it comes to pokes, your best bet is c.MP and s.MP (fast and uncrouchable).
-FA vs slide is not viable. Adon is cursed with an elevated hitbox during his FA, so Rose can make it whiff completely by just sliding. You might be able to catch her during her recovery, but a well-spaced slide usually has almost no recovery and you’ll just get grabbed out or something. Save FA for projectiles if you just want to close the space.
-Jumping isn’t a terrible option, but Rose has enough AAs to keep you away (c.HP, EX Soul Throw, U2).
-VS fireballs: MK/EX JK, HK AIJK, U1.

Close range options (AKA guess right!):
-c.LP, block is the obligatory reversal bait.
-c.LP xx HK JK will beat out grab mashers. It will also beat out people who slide expecting an MK JK.
-c.LP, close s.HP beats crouch-tech.
-c.LP, forward jump sets up and ambiguous cross-up, but most importantly it’s your most reliable backdash punish (or will at least keep the pressure up). Use conservatively, since people who are paying attention will likely AA you or jump back HP.
-c.LP, grab when the opponent is scared to do anything but block.

Other notes:
-Recommended ultra: Jaguar Avalanche. Her slide is more troublesome than fireballs, and her fireballs aren’t that great to begin with.
-Like with any character, try to bait out her U2 and block.
-EX Soul Spiral is -6 on block. IMO, the most reliable punish would be c.LP xx LK RJ (at c.LP range), then go for a safe jump. Anything farther and you’ll have to do either EX RJ or c.MP xx LK RJ.
-Try to safe jump her while she’s down or go for an ambiguous cross-up after back throw. (careful when she has U2 though)
-Once she starts pressuring with slide > c.MP it becomes a guessing game. If it ever gets to that, your safest option is to reset the spacing with backdash or wait out her pressure. EX RJ when you have no patience left! :grrr:

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Rufus

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Ryu

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Sagat

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It’s not as easy a matchup as people think. The one thing you’ll need is patience. Tons of it. Once you have meter, the matchup changes; you can EX JK Tiger Shots on reaction. However, if you get hasty and he gets a lead on you, it’s really hard to come back.

Standing jabs will work against Tiger Knee at certain distances. Don’t commit to anything fancy until you have meter. You want in, Sagat wants you out, so just keep trying to close the gap and force him back into the corner. Even if you have to block a ton of fireballs, just keep pressing forward. You can FADC fireballs or you can neutral jump then AJK over them. Tiger Knee and standing roundhouse are going to be a problem when you get closer. Just don’t stick anything out he can counter. If he’s not taking the bait and just backing up, let him. Get him in the corner.

Other than that, it’s Adon 101. Look for a knockdown and capitalize as best you can.

Durant · July 9, 2011, 2:01am

Sakura

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Sakura:
Most of the time I lose against sakura it’s because I misjudged her crossup distance and eat a J.HK to the face that I tought would cross up. Which of course results into losing half my life. Don’t do the same mistake, she has to be close to crossup, you can HK RJ her most of the time she’s in the air. Being sakura, she doesn’t have many scary things on the ground, just watch out for ST HK which can be beaten in a jumber of ways. Sweep etc. Other than that I read someone say he can react to jagkicks with c.HP offline but I doubt it in close range. Also, HK jaguar would punish that anyway.
She’s sak, don’t eat stupid jumpins and don’t do stupid things on the ground and you shouldn’t have too much trouble unless you get outplayed.

Seth

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T. Hawk

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Vega

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Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

A few Vega things to add. First off Ultra 1 and 2 both work imo. Second for wall Dive shenanigans I found these things to work.
For wall Dive:
Dash forward, Adons forward dash is extremely good and if done right can dash safely under the wall dive.
Close Fierce, Do this as he gets about to your head when he is descending toward you.
Neutral Jump fierce and Neutral jump round house, This can stuff his wall dive in the air as he approaches you.
Jump Back fierce and Jump back Roundhouse, Also great options and stuff him.
If he whiffs wall dive to get away from a sticky situation Jaguar tooth or even better if you have it dash and Ultra 1 in his direction.
One thing I hate is being hit by Ultra 2. When ever you get a knockdown on Vega and he has Ultra mix up cross up set ups by floating over him with air JK. Vegas ultra is very auto correct happy.
Also be weary of Vegas pokes…They own most of Adons normals especially Standing Roundhouse.
Vega can also air throw adon like crazy so be mindful of jumpins tooths and air jaguar kicks.

Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

Vega
It’s true that Vega has wall techniques and chances are you’ll be flying over each others head a lot. However, that’s not the way to go when being the counter-aggressor. Now you don’t have to rely on being defensive, which I really don’t think it’s the way to go against Vega at all (though I’m only speaking when using aggressive-capable fighters). If you see a wall technique coming up, I noticed that it is frequently the one where Vega reaches overhead and does the slash-swipe,(sorry for not knowing the names. I’m serious, I only played Ken, and just now Adon, so I really don’t know anything of other fighters) I counter this with a FADC after absorbing the slash-swipe blow. Forward or Backwards is purely up to you, both are safe, but forward (or whichever takes you closer to Vega) tends to have more punishment opportunities because you’re closer, of course. This should be already in your arsenal against Vega, and a good way to integrate this into the counter-aggressor theme is by baiting him to frequently chase you with it (and you’ll be surprised how many Vega’s rely on that move and not the drill-like one, or the suplex grab). Do poke combos (block strings work too) or achieve an untechable knockdown. Before wake-up, LKTooth which will bait them to wall-technique chase you, and 6/10 times it will be the overhead claw strike. Of course, don’t overly rely on this because some of them just jump back to their corner and what not, especially ones who’ve been punished by it a few times. Other than that, only use specials during poke combos (HKJK good at finishing combo/block strings because frame advantage) or clearly open punishment. Keep the heat, but aim for your hits to be blocked because it really baits them to do a slide or the backflip kick which are punishable with just about anything that isn’t intensive. HP -> HKRJ will do for backflip kick, and substitute HP for LK -> HKRJ or LP -> LK -> L/M/HKRJ. This is the essence of counter-aggressive play. Create heat, make them think they have something to punish (especially Vegas), then punish their follow up. Of course, there are countless ways of doing this, which I religiously use, but it’s like a work of art more than science, and it’s easier by just doing in then saying it. What I can offer is mixing this tactic with FADC baits before wake up, empty jump ins and outs before wake up (especially if you’ve been utilizing MKCrossup, which is pretty safe if used appropriately), and various levels of JTooth (consistent empty ones confuse them). Not to echo, but to expand, this is the role of counter-aggression. Aggressive, but aim to be blocked most of the time, and force them to be aggressive and counter their aggressiveness because you already see it coming. As far as punishing with anti-airs, I’m not all to positive. With Ken, good-ol’-faithful Ultra 1 did very nicely against anything, especially Vega’s Ultra I (or any Ultra for that matter), which, by using these tactics, a very easy set-up. Not sure how Adon’s Ultra II will fare, but it’s worth a shot.

-Key Tips:
–After applying pressure and gaining a knockdown (techable or not), dash up (if you have time) before wake up and then immediately do HKJT. More times than not, they’ll try a grab or poke of some sort, which 9/10 you’ll get the hit. If blocked, you get a free grab, or you can simply neutral jump MK into a poke combo if you know any, or a RJ.
—Pay attention to Vega’s pattern and fit in as many MKCrossups you can. They enable good combo opportunities, which might inevitably end with a knockdown (which really sets Vega’s off balanced, especially if you try to screw up their charge by switching sides), and will ultimately keep them on their toes because they’ll get the impression you’re going to be aggressive from there. Of course, you won’t, go back to counter-aggression.
----Chase Vega’s handsprings if you’re close. From there it’s extremely variable. I’m not sure to recommend this because you have to be a fairly good reader to use this properly. Following the handspring is risky because there is so many options for Vega which makes it harder for you to decide exactly what to do. I don’t really have a problem if I found a pattern. So look for a pattern and try to counter it. But remember, escape after it, or sometimes, come right back somehow (most likely a HKJT, which I dub this tactic as Boomerangin’). My usual routes are a crHK (among many other options) if they are grab-heavy, a MKCrossup, or block then punish if it’s a backflip kick. If they use a wall technique, either chase for pressure (but you have to be a good reader and creative for an effective follow up) or return to the standard tactics. Lastly, don’t follow if the Vega is crPoke-heavy. His crPokes are very long and hard to punish, and to escape, once in them. If you can counter them, or if they normally poke once (Focus here if so), then be confident and do so.
-----CAUTION: I’m not sure if it’s all forms, or just one, or some, but a RJ is stuffed by throw if close enough. Everyone probably knows that, but just reemphasizing.

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Zangief

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Zangief: If you ever get him knocked down and feel lucky. HK jaguar kick beats his lariat on wake up. But his lariat will trade or beat your jaguar kick, if he waits a little. But still an awesome trade for you. But after he gets use to your vertical jaguar kicks, I suggest you stop or you’ll start taking SPD’s. When you start Jaguar toothing on him, he’ll try to lariat to beat it. So go for a lk jaguar tooth and he lariats and you land safely far away from him. Hes free for Jaguar Revolver if you got it. I’m pretty sure you will cause zangief hits hard. If you don’t have the ultra. well someone may fill in on this. Depending on when he did the lariat and wether its the long one or the short one. maybe you can ex tooth right when he ends the lariat animation for some damage.

NegroDinamita · July 9, 2011, 3:43am

Good shit on the thread but try and take some of the matchup info from the old thread and place it in this one

Durant · July 9, 2011, 8:51am

Sorry was at work when i created the thread and was working after hours doing so. I am home now (12:51 am) and will move a lot of that stuff here.

Durant · July 9, 2011, 1:12pm

Its an online tactic I am using but take advantage of turtling Rogs. Ever wondered what you could use f+mp for? If Rog is currently crouch blocking and teching all your shit, surprise his ass with a Jaguar Crunch. Also if further away break is turtle shell with ex Jaguar kick, just watch out for the headbut as this will beat your your ex jk. To this day I dont know why. Damn you Capcom!

NegroDinamita · July 9, 2011, 2:59pm

Ah well im pretty sure this is no secret but adon can kind of run over vega in this matchup I try to quickly declaw vega and just out footsie him and make him wall dive you can pretty much do what you want if you corner him without the claw, but if he does have the claw try to space him out with standing roundhouse but dont let him get too comfy with the footsie game. Like I said before try to declaw him first

Use u1 to punish all wall dives
Jagga tooth punishes whiffed wall dives and it gets you in
Netural jump roundhouse stuffs vegas walls dives

NegroDinamita · July 9, 2011, 3:13pm

For the viper matchup I feel that its a very hard matchup but you have to make her respect you for it to be a little bit easier for you

I usually come at her full force when shes meterless because her main option is thunder knuckle and you can just predict those, really just try to work her in the corner and confuse her with tick throws and over heads she will eventually try to lash out with something but if you keep her at a good range you will see it coming.

But when she has meter you must respect her no special move is safe ex seismo eats em up, Try to use low forward and standing hard kick and try to make her use her meter when she doesnt have to but be cheeky with jaguar kick cancels because like I stated before ex seismo will beat you every time.

Now when viper is on the offensive you must know when you can strike I often discourage pressing buttons when she hits you with a burnkick because she is at the advantage and she can easily stuff you, remember burn kicks can be focused but do not rely on that because viper can still punish you if she lands behind you.
I feel as if I got lucky but when viper does a burnkick over your head and you have some kind of breathing room to do a move I used light rising jaguar to escape it but she can still punish you with low forward but it is a little gimmick I found while playing against viper.

Durant · July 9, 2011, 3:32pm

Will add as I get down those characters. Been up since 3am adding and testing shit.

NegroDinamita · July 9, 2011, 3:36pm

Frankly the chun matchup shouldnt be that hard once you get in, but thats the problem most of the time just getting in.

I like to use adon’s walk speed to get in its the safest option.If you do use special moves use his IAJK specifically the hard one it covers the most area also if you delay it you can punish her hard punch if she tries to AA you. RESPECT HER NEUTRAL JUMP ROUNDHOUSE I say this because that move is retarded in my book it punishes most of adons specials but if you time it right you can walk under her and use is cl.hk to shut it down but you gotta be quick you can safe jump her ex bird with his forward throw hard punch and you can rising jagga os her back dash so you can keep her in place but be on your toes when she has meter your health will go away quick if youre not careful. When it comes to footsies just keep it at the normal mid range and watch out for her sweep you can punish it with light jagga kick if you time it right either way it gets you in. Make sure you AA her any chance you get so that she’ll be forced to stay on the ground do not try to air to air her you can be air grabbed and double fierced into some other combo. Also if you do get in with a jagga tooth or jagga kick try not to go for the cross up as much or jump in pressure most chuns just jump up and target combo but if you’re playing footsies and you’re on equal ground jump in but dont make a habit of it

-U1 does punish her kikoshos or free jump in at the right range

ex jagga tooth does not go through her u2

NegroDinamita · July 9, 2011, 3:38pm

take ya time I’ve been up for no reason so I just thought i’ll put in my two cents

Durant · July 9, 2011, 3:59pm

Nah man not stopping ya. Been to party went to sleep early and messed with my sleep pattern. Now cant fall asleep. At least putting time to good use.

Anguirus · July 10, 2011, 6:41am

Yun and Yang matchup info plz anyone? GO!

Tigermoggy · July 10, 2011, 4:24pm

Ok, I would firstly like topoint out my Adon is mediocre at best, with that being said here is a few matchup tips I have picked up along the way. I hope a few help you.

Vs Any shoto (except Sak and Dan) Since week1 of ssf4 I came up with this way to use Jag Revolver. I can honestly say I’ve not seen anyone use this. Durant has kindly dubbed this the “Focus Bait”. Now the FB will work on any shoto but Sak or Dan since their fireballs are ass. It works for me 9 times out of 10. I kinda have it down to an art now lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yFvawqtIMU 1.12 and 2.05 is the FB. Few pointers tho. Firstly, don’t just do the FB then ultra you need to be sure there is another fireball coming, You need to listen for the char’s fireball to start before you ultra, you have to be quick but it’s not that hard to get it down. Secondly, Always press towards when you ultra, if you don’t then there is a chance JR will fall short and by the time the 2nd hit comes out your opponent has time to block. Its very important the 1st hit of JR connects.
Vs Hawk. Recently I have noticed that Hawks like to do condor spire to either A) build meter or B) close the distance between you, So I have started using Jag Revolver for this matchup, You can punish the ondor spires easily and from any distance.
Vs Bison. St.hk will beat psycho crusher, N.j.hp is also a good tool for those bisons who like to headstomp from a distance, also If you decide to block the headstomp and they go for devils reverse HK.RJ will make them think twice about doing it again.
Vs the twins. N.j mk I have started using to stuff there insane amount of divekicks that they like to do. Its quicker than n.j hk which helps considering their divekicks are insanely fast.Also Hk jag kick works too. Now not sure if this is 100% but the past few times I have stuffed EX lunge punch with St.hk maybe its distance affected i’m not sure but it worked a couple of times.
Vs Rog. St.hk all turn punches. When it comes to his rush punches i have found out you can throw him out of them. Dont know if its just adon who can do this or everyone but its a really good option to have since adons throw is hella fast.
I hope some of this info will help and i’ll post some more things later.

Durant · July 11, 2011, 1:16am

E. Ryu- Ultra 2 aint as good as it looks. If you block it, give him first and second wave of the dps. As he lands after the 2nd srk, throw his ass. I dont even need to talk about his Ultra 1. Do what you do to ryu. JK his ass for the win.

Edit you can also ex jk over him while he does u2 not sure how it happened but it happened…

Durant · July 11, 2011, 3:18pm

You should treat El Fuerte like you should treat Ibuki. Currently what I do is start the match at max distance and make them come to me. For Elf, he will either think of using the run (which i would look for the forward movement and JK) or try to bounce off the wall. Dont be scared of the wall bounce. If you guys are really full distance apart it wont reach so punish when he does the press (I used a rh jk). Just becareful in close because he has a lot of shenanigans that you just dont want to fool with.

RJ Dudley for any blocked machine gun punch

Gen if in Crane stance (one hand behind him) has a very floaty jump. If you see him in that stance be wary of cross ups. His Oga kick (where he bounces to the wall) can be dangerous if unexpected. Best to block. When it falls on top of you, block the normal way. It will only cross up if you are in the corner and that only happens once Gen lands but block as if the attack is coming from the front. For the most part, Gen in Crane stance is an ass bandit. If he can get behind you, he will rape you with his stuff. Further watch out for his cr lk (Crane stance). Just getting hit with it puts you in a juggle state which they can connect to their super or Crane U1 (if in corner). To block Crane U2 you must block high. Nothing sucks more than getting hit with Maximum Gen. Also its a sucky counter but if you have U1 and input just as Gen moves with U2 you can escape or punish but for only 180 damage. This might be useful if trying to take down a dying Gen but blocking high maybe less risky. Edit if you are on the ground you can jump forward or back depending on spacing to get out of it.

Durant · July 12, 2011, 5:50am

[S]Update: Completed up to M. Bison and working on Makoto[/S]

Update: [S]Working on Rufus.[/S] Need more info for Oni and Rose

Update: [S]Working on Seth.[/S]

Update: [S]Working on T. Hawk.[/S]

Update: [S]Working on Vega[/S]

Update: [S]Skipped twins and moved on to Zangief[/S]