Oh my fucking God. The point of this thread is to talk about Civ, not SC. It was just a clever thread title, that’s all.
know what, shut the fuck up. Shut the FUCK up. SHUT THE FUCK UP. No more of this SC isn’t easy talk, this shouldn’t have to be argued. Shit’s like saying the color blue is actually the color orange. We know it’s wrong, it’s obviously so… the dude even uses “EZ” instead of easy, you can tell he’s not serious. we don’t need 5000 niggas to jump on that. Shut up and talk about Sid Meier’s Civilization.
Anyway, I’m trying to get this game but I’m not having much luck. doesn’t seem that easy. I’ve also been trying to find vids on the gameplay so I can learn exactly what turn based is, but those names on youtube confuse the fuck outta me. getting different games in each vid
it means what it sounds like, you make all your decisions then end your turn and the AI or other players take their turns, as opposed to an RTS (real time strategy) where everyone does everything at the same time.
never played this, but i love Advande Wars, the best in the series in my opinion was Dual Strike.
Sweet, cause I am about to start it in a few days
StarCraft is by far and away the most difficult and complex COMPETITIVE video game out right now…this is a fact.
Anyone who has disagrees with this has NOT played StarCraft competitively at or near a high level and/or has never paid attention to the pro scene. StarCraft takes more concentration, finger and mouse gymnastics, knowledge, experience, etc…AND a commitment to practice at least 8 hours a day…even if you are already a pro.
Breaking into the StarCraft pro scene is about as easy as saying ‘I think I’m going to make into the NBA this year.’ after never having played basketball…its THAT hard.
Other competitive games do NOT have this high of an entrance barrier. If someone practiced 8 hours a day for a year playing Street Fighter after never playing it before, they could go to Evo and do well. With StarCraft…not going to happen.
agreed
Try having a solid tool / bronze time on a map thats randomly generated and not revealed to anyone every time. Or how about dancing CA’s all over the place while trying to keep you’re economy from turning to absolute hell. We can argue semantics all day but in my eyes, age of empires 1 shits all over Starcraft in terms of difficulty. Not saying SC isnt hard cause it is, but Age 1 is on a whole nother level. The reason I think SC isnt too bad is because anyone whos going to compete in SC knows the maps. They arent constantly randomly generated so you have to come up with strats / different ideas on the fly.
Civilization looks cool
RTS and TBS are difficult.
RTS requires execution skill.
TBS does not.
However, in Civ Rev online, certain actions occur simultaneously, essentially taking what is a Turn Based Game and making it into a RTS.
Sucks when your CAV unit attacks a city from 2 squares away and gets counter attacked before your defensive unit can move to the square… 
Goddamn you’re stupid. Let me list the ways…
A) Civ is not a competitive game at all. Thus, why bring up the complexity of a competitive one? While it has multi-player ‘expansions’, the game doesn’t really flourish in a multi-player environment. AI is necessary in order to make diplomacy effective, for example.
B) Pretty much all the best people at SF have been the ones that were already there. Combofiend, Daigo, JWong, Alex Valle, etc. have been holding the banner for a long-ass time. When was the last time someone who no one had heard of came and mopped up Evo?
C) THIS THREAD ISN’T ABOUT STARCRAFT
On-topic ninja edit: I just got Civ Rev because of this thread a few days ago. I’m a seasoned Civ player so this is my take.
Pros:
-Basically the Civilization formula that has been effectively streamlined for the console. While there aren’t as many decisions to make as there are in a full-fledged Civ title, you’re still going about the same thought-processes. In that regard, they did ALMOST everything right.
-They left religions out of this one. That was such a fucking pain in the ass in Civ IV.
-All of the Civilizations seem good. The only one who might seem slightly OP is Zulu but I haven’t really played as them yet so I don’t really know if that’s true yet. This is different from Civ IV where India was clearly the best pick.
-The interface is neat and tidy. I can get to almost anything I need with just a singular button-press and the controls work out just fine.
Cons:
-YOU CAN’T PICK THE MAP YOU PLAY ON. This really irks me. Sometimes I want to play on an islands map, sometime I want no water of significance, and sometimes I like forcing myself to starve for resources on a desert map. I don’t understand why they left this out.
-You can’t really control your workers. They’re just able to work the 8 orthoganal squares around each city, but they can’t improve tiles and they no longer build roads. That just became an automated ‘Pay X Gold’ and get a road immediately. This makes roads way better than they used to be because you used to have workers toiling away to get that shit done. Roads are too good in this game, imo.
-Are there no free-roaming barbarians? Call me a masochist but I miss that.
All in all, the biggest reason for me to play it is so that I can get my dose of Civ on the couch instead of the computer chair. I’ve had this game for three days, and even with work I’ve managed to put 15 hours into it already. I think I have an addiction to turn-based strategy. Did anyone here ever play Galactic Civilizations II? That game is fucking fun.
I was talking that starcraft MECHANICS are not difficult, such as choosing buildings and upgrades and all of that.
The game I know is difficult.
Anyway Civilization and Civ Rev are good games but I’ve just sidelined them for FNR4. It is funny though that this thread turned into a big j/o fest for Starcraft, which I am honestly surprised people still play.
yay for an on topic post, haha. anyhow there are free roaming barbarians, but it doesn’t seem to happen until the later difficulties, and most often you have either found their villages and killed them or other civs have done it for you. from the graph you get at the end of the game, they don’t produce very quickly at all, so even if you do see barbarians walking around it won’t be many. I have had a city undefended attacked my barbarians, it was an early turn and my first warrior was exploring(this is before I started rushing my first warrior) and I had to call my citizens to form a militia.
Okay, good to know. I’ve been playing it on the second-easiest setting for starters. While the games aren’t that challenging it’s giving me a basis to learn with. I’m about to start stepping it up to Emperor difficulty.
I LOVE the Civilopedia in this game. Go through all the tabs of the ‘Corporation’ technology section. The game is begrudgingly thankful of them. It’s hilarious.
So which tech is it exactly that allows you to get extra production off of mountains?
This was my first Civ game, so I started from the bottom and worked my way up as I felt the need, I was able to do well in Emperor(not sure if it was the most efficient) and tried to do Deity but that was nuts.
and I believe it is Railroad, which lets you build iron mines and those double production from mountains
oh and what civ you been using?
I’m not good at Civ 4 or anything, but it’s hilarious whenever I play with my friend on a random map and I get barbarians up in my grill before I even make a worker.
Man, I’m mentally willing those barbarians to STAY THE FUCK AWAY for 3-4 turns…and it never happens.:annoy:
Yeah I started playing Civ 4 last year after needing something to fill my time with after I quit WoW. The game is damn addicting, ended up playing it in class and what not during boring lectures.
I usually play with friends, but it never seems to go well for me, I always end up in the worst spots on the map that have no resources off the start :Sad:
Also, fuck the Barbarian event.
I really wanna try a PC Civ, but my laptop can’t play Civ4. I’ll probably get civ3 complete like someone mentioned before
Civ III > Civ IV. Seriously.
And I’ve been playing as the Germans, you?
I like Aztecs, the 25 gold in the beginning allows me to rush a jaguar warrior first turn and look around. I’ve even managed to walk right into capitals once or twice(on higher difficulties) because it was too early for them to finish a warrior, well once I waited til the warrior I knew they finished walked away and took over. haha 
in the lower difficulties its kind of pathetic how easily some AI cities/capitals fall.
I was boning up on some Civ Rev knowledge and check this out. You don’t have to meet all the prereqs to research a tech. I know, weird, but there is a science to it. First of all, you have to have all but one of the prereqs, so if it has three then you need to meet two of them. Also, you need to make sure that your research rate is such that you can research it in less than ten turns. As long as that happens, you can research the tech.
Interesting, huh?