great ending.
i swear you and RockBogart need to start some gay superhero duo where all you do is hate on things i would have sex with. slap yo self, foo.
YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I really don’t know about that. Kara was described by all the Hybrids as a Harbinger of Death, and I think that was accurate. She led them to Earth, but it was an Earth that was long dead. Then she brought them to New Earth, only to (possibly) renew the cycle.
Baltar and Hera did more to save humanity than anyone else, ironically. The one man responsible for the genocide, and the half cylon kid.
Depends on what the hybrid really meant then… “Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, they must not follow her” She certainly was a harbinger of death, in a couple ways even, but who was “they”? Of was this plot device just ignored.
I think Moore had a different ending in mind for Kara, but went this way instead.
there better be an alternate ending on the dvd.
Great ending. SciFi has put up a bunch of new vids on its BSG site. Surprising to see that the actor who plays Lee is British.
…humanity???
So does this mean that ultimately technology is the incernation of evil that we must resist? Once we blur the line between robot and I guess “humanity” we’re no longer humans but gods in an attempt to create life and because of that, that new life seeks to destroy us, as punishment from the real God?
It seems like this is an ongoing cycle first Earth-1 then the planets of Kobol and now Earth 616. Does this mean they’re in an endless cycle of damnation and God in his divine wisdom is giving them chance after chance?
I prepared myself to sit and enjoy this. I ate a smoked salmon and drank a whole bottle of wine.
This was hands down the single best piece of television I have ever seen. I was in tears most of the way through. From the shear epicness of the battle right down to the most gut wrenching scenes.
I never cried so hard at a single TV or Movie moment as when Adama put his wedding band on Rosilyns finger. That was the most sadly romantic moment I have seen, and built up to perfectly.
Starbuck’s ending needed to be somewhat vague I believe. Not everything should be answer by a finale, it can ruin a show if too much is answerred. I found her ressurection very similar to the Ships of Light of the original series. Head 6 and Head Blatar also tie in nicely there as well. Some stronger power we have not seen which guides the universe.
And the flip to modern Earth ties so nicely with how like modern Earth Caprica seemed to be. Until I saw this ending I didn’t think the Caprica TV series was necessary, but now it makes perfect sense. It is a wrap around. A prequel to this show, and like a continuation because it will be such a paralell to our world. Just a short hop into the future.
I imagine we will also get some answers in The Plan. By taking alot of wrap up out of the finale they have more room for what really mattered in the finale and can tell a better story.
I know some people are lost or upset on the ending, I can understand. We all get different things out of our shows. Alot of people here seem to not like the emotional stuff and such in this show. I have heard alot of people on this site say certain episodes in the last half of this season were dull. These same episodes I found so full of emotion as to be rivetting. But even if a few episodes don’t fulfill everyone’s needs, as a whole this series is hard to argue as anything other than amazing.
I am going to rewatch this later this week. Something I just don’t do. It is usually years before I rewatch anything. Ronald Moore definately knows how to wrap up a TV series. Outdoing even himself.
No, you missed the point of the whole series.
Mankind is lazy, ignorant, and hateful. We label others who are different as something less human than us, and then enslave them or destroy them.
By the time mankind gets to the tech level where we can make artificial people we have not really improved at all even if we have somehow grown more tolerant of our own kind. We will treat these Cylons the same as we have historically treated ourselves. As slaves and as something subhuman. This was part of the genius of making the Cylons human in this series. We watched them torture and abuse and murder people who were just like us and call them toasters and machines…saying they are not even alive when clearly they were living breathing and feeling people.
The message at the very end was not to beware technology, it was to beware mistreating the artificial life we create because we can very easily create “servants” who are superior to us and may realize it at some point. Any robots we treat or clones or synthetic beings, we need to treat them as well as we would want them to treat us. If a being is sentient, it deserves equal rights to all other sentient beings.
The moment you treat or think of another sentient being as less than you would wish them treat or think of you, you are fulfilling the warning.
I agree that the ST: TNG finale was all sorts of amazing. I was only 9 when I saw it, but to this day I can remember the awe I felt when the past/present/future Enterprises showed up and fired their weapons at that space anomaly. It single-handedly brought me into the sci-fi genre.
The finale for BSG was. . .okay. I mean, there were issues–why 30 something thousand people be willing to go all natural and abandon all their technology wasn’t really explained well. If you’re on an uninhabited planet trying to survive, I think at least some people would have raised a fuss about keeping some amenities. I understand that they wanted to embrace nature as a means to stop the cycle of violence created by technology, but they kind of brought that plot point in without explanation.
Otherwise, there was closure for most of the characters, which was good. The action was good. And the last 5 minutes posing a question of “where do we go from here” was something that amazed me, because THAT was the perfect note to hit for a series that’s been dealing with issues of identity and technology.
My only regret is that the entire 4th season was rather forgettable, excepting the finale and Gaeta’s rebellion.
Gaeta’s rebellion was hype. He was such a likeable character, and I loved how they showed his total fall, from witnessing the horrors on New Caprica, to finally being pushed over the edge with the loss of his leg.
And of course, Roslin screaming at everyone.
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^ As much gripe as I gave the show earlier, I have to agree. I fully enjoyed the ending and things were pretty much wrapped up. The only things that weren’t they specifically left open to interpretation. I just didn’t want them to have loose ends and then forgotten. I was hoping that wouldn’t happen and (for me) it was not. They even addressed Tory and the Chief, which is great. All the endings seemed to be perfect for everybody.
Even though they’re doing additional episodes (Caprica and The Plan), I feel that this BSG universe has so much stuff that it will not seem milked to death. They wrapped up so much, and there’s still more story that can be told. This is way above and beyond typical Sci Fi stuff.
It is probably likely there was serious discussion and voting involved. And it was likely some people were against it. But when you are outvoted you are outvoted. There was a skip there, they clearly were there a few weeks before starting to colonize.
Gaeta’s uprising was a favorite part of the series for me, along with Lee saving Galactica from doom with the Pegasus in Season 3.
Someone mentioned it earlier that the humans in BSG don’t really have advanced technology other than FTL drives and ships. There are no teleporters, laser swords, or anything advanced like that. The common people were basically just trapped on these ships for the entirety of the series, so abandoning them for a new life on earth probably would have been accepted, so long as they took all their stuff from the ship they lived on.
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Yes, very much indeed. The simplest technological trappings were no longer available to them. Remeber not long ago when we were shown the last tube of toothpaste in the fleet? Most people live in huddled masses on these overcrowded ships, and any amenities they would have at all are either used up or salvaged for parts. At best there are radios…and they are shared. Think of it. Fleet full of FTL capable ships and best tech 90% of people see are radios. They actually have nothing to give up.
only good thing about the show ending is that I dont have to keep watching that commercial where the Chief falls down on the beach and looks at the rock he just touched.
I must have seen that shit a trillion times haha.
That may be the case, but I’m certain (as it’s been shown) that ships have plumbing, water circulation/recycling systems, lighting systems, and more. And you’re telling me that EVERYONE decided to say “Hey, let’s throw our ships into the sun and give up hot running water!”
Regardless of what amenities they have left, there’s a lot of stuff that you can do with a ship like the Galactica that would aid survival, or at least make things easier. Throwing it into the sun just seems, well, a bit hasty.
The one thing I caught that i do not see mentioned.
Hera was seen as the Eve of modern man. The earliest known remains to match modern man’s dna. This means everybody on Earth is a mix of Cylon and human. This is likely clear to most people, but I don’t think I a have seen it mentioned.
No, I got it, if it wasn’t plainly obivious before the dialogue between both Anders and Ellen confirmed it. I wasn’t talking about humanity’s inadequacies directly (although they are the problem) but that we used technology to create life going against God’s will, we pretty much outlive his guidence and we look to technology guide our lives.
It looks like even if we treated cyclons with respect and as equal human beings, something will happen that will cause them or us to go out destroying eachother, because regardless of intentions when humanity created something that could be considered “new life” they’re damned in the eyes of God.
So I was wondering if the cycle would ever end, or if humanity is in an endless loop to repeat its mistakes weither its the treatement of machines or the swift hand of God for creating life not in his image.
Yeah, in the end we’re all the same, which is why Hera was so important. Every Cylon-Human war, we were basically fighting against our own kind.
Such an amazing show.