Spaceship porn.
Just a couple things.
Tigh should come clean to Adama, although my gf pointed out Deanna probably won’t tell the humans who the final 5 are, which makes sense to me.
Also, Starbuck is once again a total bitch. She asks everyone to risk their neck over her faggy intuition, and is just pretending that she didn’t hear what the hybrid said about her. Fucking selfish slut.
Yet another classic screw-up by starbuck. It figures that biatch would be the one to do something stupid(as always), that DOOMS them all in the end.
It took gaeta getting shot in the leg to make her realize her earlier initial plan was stupid, when she first wanted to drag the whole damn crew with her to the cylon mothership.
Adama survived and cylons are supposed to be more durable.
Kinda funny how she shot rebel six the exact same way Boomer capped Adama. Do these models not believe in headshots?
Two shots?
The humanoid cylons are supposed to be just like humans, physically(die when stabbed, shot, crushed, etc). Only difference I’ve seen is displaying better physical strength.
Oh and whatever the hell happened to adama throwing the other cylon guy off the ship? (whenever he was drunk and kept telling him too). He is STILL on the same ship!
Yes, two shots, point blank range by the evil Boomer.
Cylons have also have better stamina, dexterity and resistance to radiation. All three have been demonstrated by Athena when she and Helo were stranded on Caprica.
How much of the show have you actually watched?
Damn, you guys really hate Starbuck. Tell us how you really feel…
The reaction the crew has towards her is perfectly understandable. I don’t understand why ya’ll hate her so much though. The entire show has built up the idea that she is destined to lead them to earth and everything she has done has contributed to that goal. I mean, did you guys really think resurrected Starbuck is a Cylon?
I’m looking forward to the return of D’anna.
She’s a fucking annoying character, and technically none of us know whether they are on the right path, just that they are on a path. What’s worse is there is an assumed empathy for Starbuck, when she does nothing to earn that from the audience. Probably the only good thing she’s done on the show was kill Cylons, but other than that she’s a selfish, boozing whore. Also, like her, you’ve neglected to mention one of the biggest hints about Starbuck’s divine providence: the hybrid predicted her to lead everyone to their death.
I’m pretty sure those that were around Starbuck picked up on the Harbinger of Death thing, considering that they did overhear the Hybrid mention the F5 and shit like that.
Didn’t they even have a whole conversation about it as well?
I used to like starbuck, but she’s become this bipolar psychotic bitch who I really hope gets shot doing something ignoble.
Another theory I have is that this starbuck is the final cylon. The previous starbuck was human, but had a genetic twin “cylon” that was activated once the real starbuck died and her consciousness downloaded into this cylon. Thus, she wasn’t around for the awakening of the other 4.
I think you just solved it right there. It ties everything so very neatly.
The reason I like Starbuck is because she is a bad ass. How is she any more annoying then the other characters? Just about everyone on the ship is a suicidal, manic-depressed, alcoholic, whoring asshole. She comes back from the “dead” and starts shit. She’s a very proactive character. Yeah, she’s probably the most cocky character on the show, but she is good at what she does and she does get shit done. Compare her to Tigh who was a complete loser until the occupation of New Caprica. Compare her to Adama who has doubts about everything but also has a bad temper. Compare her to Baltar who is a snobby SOB but is also a puny coward. Compare her to Rosilin who also shuts everyone else down-- at least the two are getting the crew closer to earth.
I mean, ya’ll must hate just about everyone on the show cause they all (understandably) get whiny and bitchy from time to time.
About the whole “harbinger of death” revelation. What’s the point of that? Am I supposed to believe she brings them to earth or brings them to their death? Is it both? If they do arrive on earth, do they die? Does that mean they shouldn’t go to earth anymore? We don’t know what the deal is and furthermore, its not like she’s actively trying to become “the harbinger of death.” We don’t know what harbinger of death means. Why am I gonna start hating a character because she gets this ambiguous label from this ambiguous source?
One other thing. The whole “harbinger of death” comment could be referring to the Cylon’s loss of immortality. Afterall, if Starbuck hadn’t done the things she had done, the Cylon rebels and the Colonials would not be on their way to destroy the resurrection hub.
adamas the 5th.
I only just got into it last year or so. Seen plenty of episodes, but they’re also MANY i’ve not seen.
Started consistently following it around the middle of the previous season, along with whatever earlier episodes i could catch on sci-fi channel.
She is just such a whiney, depressing, emo biatch! Pretty much all she does is whine, screw things up, and make everyone else miserable.
I LOVED when adama had enough of her shit, kicked her chair out from under her, and threatened to throw her off the ship if she didn’t stop being a bitch.
Her only redeeming quality is she’s HOT. Thats about it.
That was the one whose actress was lucy lawless? Yeah even at 42 she’s still really hot.
You missed the point. She only took from the hybrid what she wanted to hear. She took part of what she heard from the hybrid and is going to try to sort things out with Rosilin, but completely fucking ignores the part that would call all her self important fantasies into doubt. It’s hypocritical of her to take stock in part of what the hybrid says and not the rest, but she does this because she’s a bitch.
Similarly, you missed my point about her being annoying. She is just fucking abrasive, and her whole “badass” persona is forced. She may have been kind of badass in the first season, but now she just talks through gritted teeth a lot. There isn’t one moment she is on screen where they don’t try to cram this “badass” shit down your throat, and its gotten to the point of silliness. I don’t mind characters showing emotion from time to time, but every Starbuck scene is loud, in your face, and annoying. It doesn’t matter if she’s happy, or sad, she’s pissed off. It’s like shes trying to overcompensate for being a woman.
I never got the impression that Starbuck felt inferior for being a woman. I’m wondering where you got that impression. I’m also wondering if Starbuck were a man, would you also think his behavior was a way of overcompensating for being a man?
And your right, it is a fucked up thing for Starbuck to be selective about the hybrid’s prophesy. Do I think she’s a bitch for doing that? No.
Starbuck is freaked out about that whole harbinger of death business. She might be hiding it at the moment but she’s clearly reacting to it. That puts her a step above Baltar or Rosilin or Adama who lie all the time and don’t sweat about it.
Secondly, why are you hating on Starbuck for having “self important fantasies”. Since season one Leoben was telling her she had a special destiny but she ignored it until she mysteriously died and resurrected. It’s not like the woman ate a burger one day and then discovered the path to earth. Starbuck’s prophecies and visions have been coming true. If you don’t buy the fact that Starbuck is special… well, the writers on this show have been trying to make that super clear for a while.
She has become unhinged since she came back. I’m not saying you should like Starbuck, but I think I think you should cut her some slack. She’s freaked out about the prophecy and she wasn’t tripping about any special destiny until she died and came back.
That was just speculative.
Adama or Rosilin or Baltar lying is different, because they make decisions based on all the information at hand, whether they reveal it to everyone else or not. I don’t interpret Starbuck as making decisions based on the harbinger of death thing, I see her making decisions in spite of it. I’d like to hear how you see it differently.
I certainly believe that she is a significant character, it’s just irritating that it’s constantly asserted on the audience. It’s the same deal with Deanna. Other characters like Baltar or Caprica 6 don’t need to constantly be jabbering about some paramountly important quest for you to infer that they are important characters.
Baltar constantly lies to save his ass, there’s nothing noble there. Starbuck is not trying to save her own ass in this scenario. Adama has lied about knowing the path to earth. Starbuck is not trying to give anyone false hope. Rosilin lied about baby Hera’s death to Helo and Athena. Starbuck is not trying to hide a baby for strategic purposes.
Right now, she’s freaked out about her death/resurrection, her “intuition” about earth and her visions becoming true. She finally believes in her destiny, has seen that its coming true and is freaking out about it. There are only a handful of people that really trust her (Anders and Leoben). She was lucky to get the Demetrius ship. If she knows she’s right and if she knows that people don’t trust her-- what do you expect her to do when she gets a scary prophecy handed to her?
Baltar, Rosilin and Adama never had the problem of being accused of being a Cylon. Starbuck almost got thrown into a brig when she came back from the dead. People still don’t trust her. She brought back a Cylon baseship. But she is doing the things that need to be done to get them to earth.
She is arguing and fighting with everyone because she knows she’s right and everyone thinks she’s either crazy or a Cylon. We, the audience, know she’s “special”. She’s just doing what she has to do in her “Starbucky” type of way. When she nicely told everyone “I know how to get to earth,” the response she got was “your lucky we’re not throwing you in the brig.”
Starbuck has only pushed this hard because of the situation she’s been in. Anything less and she would have been ignored. She’s almost “failed” in her quest multiple times because people didn’t believe in her.
Lastly, there have been 64 episodes so far and only a handful of them had actually dealt with this whole Stabuck-destiny thing. It’s not like the idea is constantly shoved in our face every episode. Same with D’anna’s quest. That similarly lasted briefly.
That’s my point. There were logical reasons for Rosilin hiding the baby. Being able to make logical decisions without being hampered by empathetic nonsense makes Rosilin a stronger character.
I expect her to swallow her pride, and reconsider where she is leading everyone. When you are gambling the fate of humanity on a hunch, I think you owe it to everyone to consider every sign, not just the positive ones. If the reason she isn’t recognizing the possibility of failure is her “freaking out”, that just shows how weak of a character she really is.
But anytime they do deal with it, it’s blatant and heavy handed. My point was that every other important character on the show doesn’t need some preachy, pretentious quest to show off their importance. It makes the characters unappealing. I feel like they are forcing me to like Starbuck and Deanna.
Everyone on the show has let their feelings cloud their judgement and their choices. Rosilin’s hatred of the Cylon’s kept the child away from Helo and Athena. Adama had begun to trust Athena because she had proven herself multiple times by that point. He grudgingly went along with Rosilin. Starbuck is in a better position to mistrust everyone else because she know’s she right and that everyone else is just burnt out and afraid. Everyone wants to put her in the brig. Athena had saved Adama and the Colonials multiple times by the time her baby was born. Who’s emotional here? Who has trust issues here?
Her hunches have more evidence then anyone else’s. Adama and Rosilin’s hunches have had no evidence to back them. Furthermore, nothing that Starbuck has done so far has lead the Colonials to disaster or failure. In fact, she’s integral in outing the final Cylons, finding earth and destroying the resurrection technology. Where is the disaster and failure in that?
It seems like when other folks keep secrets its okay, but not when Starbuck does it. Starbuck has better reasons to mistrust everyone else. Starbuck has better evidence then everyone else. Starbuck has also more success then anyone else. But still, she’s a bitch for being pushy about it.
And what about the secret. Is it a secret that explicitly describes how Starbuck is going to destroy the Colonial fleet? She’s not hiding information that’s putting anyone at risk. It’s a vague prophesy that can be interpreted in many ways. So now’s she a bitch for not being completely honest. Of course, if she was completely honest, she might get killed/jailed or no one would listen to her ever again. That would be real smart. That’s really thinking with your head. What a bitch for hiding information. I’m glad I have other more likable characters that never ever ever ever lie.
That’s your point of view. I see a lot of flaws in Starbuck and D’anna but I like them the way they are. Apollo is probably my least favorite character because he always does the right thing. In fact, I would see it as a big mistake if it were Apollo who was having the visions and prophecies. It’s a lot more interesting seeing this loose cannon, who previously did not believe, suddenly become this special character. It totally goes against Kara’s character. She never wanted to be responsible for anyone but now she’s responsible for delivering the fleet to earth. She used to have nerves of steel and nothing bothered her, but now this whole quest is shaking her up. That’s interesting.
I think you guys are taking too much of the Starbuck prophecy at face value. Just because the Hybrid called her the Harbinger of Death does not mean in the literal sense that she is going to screw everybody over. In fact, there have been theories that she can be called the Harbinger of Death due to the series of events that she will lead the colonials in the upcoming episodes.
Also, if D’Anna is unboxed, they will find out the fifth Cylon model, as well as point the way towards Earth. At this point, the final fifth cylon could be one of many people EXCEPT Starbuck. It could be Gaeta b/c of how it was pointed out that during the removal of his leg, he somehow blocked the pain (turning off the pain like what the four was talking about). It could either be Baltar or Roslin b/c they have been sharing visions, which means they are connected somehow. We have previously seen that a similar connection has led to the gathering of the four (them hearing the same song). So in this instance, they are seeing the same dream. But weird thing is, that only one of them can be the Cylon, so how is the other one connected?
It’s not logical, but one can assume that after so much collaboration with a Cylon, Baltar can be linked to them somehow without having to be a Cylon. Roslin could very well be the last cylon. D’Anna’s last vision could very well be a major hint at who the last one is.
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I also found this one too and back then, this was a whole bunch of gibberish, but now its a lot more clear
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the proto hybrid talks about the final four agonizing over who they really are, and then goes to mention the fifth one whose still in shadow, hungry for redemption.
update- I’ve just got word that Ronald D Moore said that everybody that was in the Last Supper pic, is not a Cylon, so that automatically rules out Roslin, Starbuck and Baltar. Here is the pic
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holy shit I had a revelation. I think I finally figured out who the Final Fifth is. Tie together “Redemption” + “pips on Tigh’s collar” + “Gaeta’s song”