^ Iron 3 sucked to me cause of how they butchered the Mandarin tbh, anything after that was just lost. If they left the character out of it completely, it would have been a better movie.
Batman and Robin is still the greatest Super Hero movie.
look bro.
its really easy to understand why marvel does what ir does.
comic book movies that stick to source material, and live action cannot work, and do not appeal to mainstream audiences.
secondly, adapting one meduin to another isnt easy and requires compromise, a lot of it. these movies arent made for fans…they’re made for the general audience, and they insert some parallels from source material so that comic fans can like em too.
lastly, if you want source material, read the comic book, or watch the animated media thats designed, geared too, and marketed to the hardcore demographic. if the source material wasnt such a niche, which it is. then the studios would make live action in the same vein that they do animated ones.
these movies are also made in a way where it reintroduces source material to child hood fans, or bring in more potential fans so that mire product is sold. this is standard in any industry that sells and markets any product.
so your entire argument and angst against these movies is futile because they didn’t make them for you, and they wherent thinking of fans like you because if they did…they wouldn’t make as much $$$, amd they could have tanked badly.
Dunno Pedo, with the right marketing exploitation and hype train, movies can be sold to pretty much anybody.
Some things wouldnt fly, like actresses having to wear their characters comic clothes in certain instances, but I dont think there really is a compelling reason why a director/producer cant just do a direct lift from the source and have it do just as well, shit maybe even better than what they do.
I think the movies are different simply because screenwriters/directors want to have their impact on something, the hardcore fans get fucked and tbh general audiences would like/hate it either way. Comic book movies mean CGI to modern audiences, they dont care about the stories they tell.
sennin is complaining. and I’ve heard folks in peraon bitch about a movie because they didn’t get it, or there where plot points.
the easiest thing to do is make parallels to issues today amd borrow source material. iron man 3 and captain 2 did this…
obviously you can do what you said. but that requires more aggressive e marketing, which means more $$$, on a already expensive movie, and the risk of not making tons of money is jeopardized.
I realize im a fucking hypocrite (im watching you POS tranformers) but at least I understand the politics and bullshit that film brings when its big budget…
ao I dont think complaining g about second rate comic book movies, is gonna do anything. the masses have spoken with their wallets, and until otherwise, the same is gonna continue to happen.
This argument can apply to justify the Joel era of batman films…which by the way were purposefully made to appeal to children and the toy market. This is also the same justification someone can make to excuse the avatar movie or DBZ evolution.
Even ignoring the adaptation aspect though I just don’t think a lot of these marvel moves…IM3 specifically are objectively good films for the reasons I stated.
Sennin nobody can justify DBZ Evolution, not even the fuckers that spawned it
Again, that’s just a bad film. Now, you want to talk about an adaption that’s genuinely good but isn’t accurate to the source material? Well look no further then…
Alex there is a massive difference, comic book movies have huge fan bases who expect certain things from what they are going to see, where as Conan was a loose adaption storywise, other than that it jumped straight out of Howards book with no complaints. Gotta remember Conan was written 70 years ago.
OT but if you havent already, check out the Conan short stories, awesome read better than GoT infact, stories dont take long to get through and makes rewatching the movie 10x better when you notice all the easter eggs floating about it.
The Howard stories had a respectable audience before the movie. The diehards take issue with the film because it wasn’t accurate to the source. But the diehards have to understand that when something is adapted changes will most likely be made, for better or worse. So what’s more important? Staying true to the source material in spite of creative differences or perhaps the original idea can’t really be adapted. Or make changes that hopefully result in a good film.
Another example would be The Shining. I don’t get the appeal of the King novel and Kubrick made the right choice in veering away from the bash-you-over-the-head message that alcoholism is bad and a couple of other really bad ideas. King had his chance to make his version of The Shining and it was fucking horrible.
What original idea couldnt be adapted in comic book movies? It was bullshit scripts plain and simple. Prime example right now for me is IM3, they turned his nemesis into comic relief, that was some straight up nonsense.
This is exactly the point.
I’m not hearing a legitimate explanation to justify the script in IM3.
What was the purpose in the mandarin being the joke?
What was the purpose of it being pure comedy slapstick with the little boy?
Why did it have such a dull villain?
Again the reasons used to excuse IM3 are the same points of justification the bay films and Joel’s batman made. Look at the difference between the 1990s street fighter movie and assassins fist…again what excuse is there?
While i enjoyed iron man 3, even after recently reading extremis not too long before seeing the movie back when, i saw it had its problems, but for me while it isnt a movie i have rewatched yet, even though i own it, it didnt soul suck me when i watched it. I think i’ll rewatch it tonight and double check my opinion, but then again, iron man 2 really didnt offend me as much as it did everyone else, and ive seen that countless times, but iron man isnt really a character i ever followed (outside of avengers stuff), on top of already loosely following certain comics over the years.
With that said, i agree with what you said. There is zero argument for not adapting comic arcs straight from the books with minor twist to fit the mainstream cinema. Hell, most of those arcs are old, and many of the kids the past 5-7 years seeing these movies dont know shit about that stuff. I wonder if it has something to do with not wanting to pay certain authors any money because the source material doesnt exactly fit, otherwise getting certain peoples pockets fatter because they dont have to share the dough, but i havent heard anything about that being the case. Either way, no one can tell me that comic book storylines are so extreme that they cannot be adapted to the big screen, so they have to be heavily modified down to sucking complete dick sometimes just to please an already largely ignorant populace of people (when it comes to comic book character storylines).
If iron man 3 was basically extremis on film with slight modifications, i think people would have left the theater with hella stains in their pants from nutting or pissing themselves in awe. If i remember that arc well enough. I think most people still enjoyed iron man 3 outside of the core fans, and thought it was awesome as shit, but they could have had even much more if they stayed true to the storyline itself.
When it comes to adaptations I rarely expect complete accuracy. I just expect that the overall tone and sentiment of the source material is properly conveyed.
For instance if you look at early console ports of SF2…we all know it wasn’t arcade perfect but if it at least conveyed the core values and concepts of the arcade version we were all happy. There’s a difference between console ports that respectfully attempted to convey the arcade instalments to console ports which clearly didn’t even try at all.
OK IM3 was shit, let’s move on. No, it’s not just the Mandarin change. Movie was a joke, Tony+kid sitcom moments was not what I paid money for, nor the Home Alone 4 starring Tony Stark bits with him using home appliances as gadgets to get inside a terrorist hideout (LOL). Franchise went sink mode ever since Terrence Jones left sigh. IM1 was really good without even having a great villain (Obi was fine, the final battle just a little anticlimatic, didn’t care much).
lolwut, Luther and Metallo tag team, ok I can dig it was done before and was awesome but… Batman and Lex Luthor working together to find out the mystery of Superman? GTFO
Let me guess, Batman will track Superman, Lex and Metallo will put the hurt on him, Batman will change his mind and see the light, save the day.
Please god let this news article be a piece of troll artifice, infact God just cast thunder on everybody involved with this shit already.
Metallo is a good pick. I was expecting Doomsday but Metallo can definitely work as a lead villain.
Darkseid would make an excellent main threat against the Justice League.
Metallo gives them a target that Batman can completely fuck up, due to basically being a robot.
I remember telling people (not on SRK though) it would be Metallo as a main villian for this movie. I thought that Joe Manganiello would play a good Metallo. I know they said that Jason Momoa was in this movie but they didn’t say what his role was. He might be Metallo but I’ve heard rumors about him being Aquaman.