Snyder does not care, he is on record saying he hates comics and cares nothing for their mythos.
Snyder sorts of wants to homage some the “most famous” moments of DC history, but he only selects those moments where Batman’s a goddamn badass manslaughtering vigilante and Superman is wrong about everything.
For what I see, there are hints in this movie that he might be interesting on adapting the Death in the Family and the *Injustice: Gods Among Us *sagas/story arcs to some extent…
I have a confession to make.
I…yawned at least once during BvS. Well maybe twice.
I almost fell asleep. The movie was incredibly boring for a long stretch.
Was this yawn before or after you fell asleep.
I don’t get the Gal Gadot love… Whenever she had to open her mouth and actually act, it was horrible. Even the fight was ass because it was all CGI.
The look she gave after getting knocked back, the “Oh bitch, IT IS ON!” was cool, but everything else? As bad as I expected it to be.
I don’t get the Gadot love neither. Wonder Woman didn’t do anything until Doomsday showed up. What she did wasn’t impressive. Theater clapped when she blocked the lasers but I shrugged. Maybe her solo film can win me over.
You’re so full of shit. Have you even seen Man of Steel? Here, read the transcript below of the conversations between Clark and Jonathan, then go back and read my previous post.
Jonathan Kent: [Jonathan shows Clark his ship] We found you in this. We were sure the government was gonna show up at our doorstep, but no one ever came.
Clark Kent at 13: [Clark looks over the ship in puzzlement] .
Jonathan Kent: [Jonathan shows Clark the command key] This was in the chamber with you. We took it to a metallurgist at Kansas State. He said whatever it was made from didn’t even… didn’t even exist on the periodic table. It’s another way of saying that it’s not from this world, Clark… and neither are you. You’re the answer, son. You’re the answer to, “are we alone in the universe?”
Clark Kent at 13: I don’t want to be.
Jonathan Kent: And I don’t blame you, son. It’d be a huge burden for anyone to bear; but you’re not just anyone, Clark, and I have to believe that you were… that you were sent here for a reason. All these changes that you’re going through, one day… one day you’re gonna think of them as a blessing; and when that day comes, you’re gonna have to make a choice… a choice of whether to stand proud in front of the human race or not.
Jonathan Kent: You are my son. But somewhere out there you have another father too, who gave you another name. And he sent you here for a reason, Clark. And even if it takes you the rest of your life you owe it to yourself to find out what that reason is.
And this.
Clark Kent at 13: I wanted to hit that kid. I wanted to hit him so bad.
Jonathan Kent: I know you did. I mean, part of me even wanted you to, but then what? Make you feel any better? You just have to decide what kind of a man you want to grow up to be, Clark; because whoever that man is, good character or bad, he’s… He’s gonna change the world.
That’s true, however let’s not pretend that it was never the original intention of Batman, so all in all, still true to the comic books whether it was 3 months ago or 70+ years ago. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant if this is the approach they Want for “This” particular Batman. Once again, I didn’t have any real issues with it because it was insignificant in the entire scale of the other problems with the movie.
You’re correct, however what I said was still true on the fact that movies like Transformers and Crystal Skull received a much more positive review overall than BatmanvSuperman which is an absurdity. Even with all of the glaring issues in BvS, it was a far more enjoyable movie overall for me than the atrocities that were Transformers and Crystal Skull…ironically both of those movies had Shia Lebouf. Not hate towards the guy, but having him kill Megatron and then swinging with apes was should’ve been an automatic 1/10.
Spoiler
At least they had Supes take down Doomsy and not Batman pulling something from his belt.
I personally would’ve rated this movie around 6/10.
This ain’t an argument. Batman killing was simply a case of the character being new at the time and no one knowing 100% of where they were heading towards. The no-kill police came very soon on the character’s publication history and has been there since then.
Superman also couldn’t fly at the OG incarnation. Would anyone accept a Superman without flight nowadays? Fuck no. Because that’s been the status quo for over 70 years.
Batman being a murderer in the comics didn’t last long. After Robin was introduced Batman stopped killing people left and right and no killing became an important part of the character from then on.
Nobody is trying to argue if it should or shouldn’t be. I even agreed with the statement of the No Kill Policy, however once again, this very well might be the approach they’re taking with Batman. He was far more prone to the negative than we’ve ever seen him in previous movies. Could it possibly that the events of the Man of Steel events turned him over to being less lenient of human morality? All Possible since we don’t know if he was truly wasting people prior to this.
However the issue of Batman jobbing little chump henchmen was small in contrast to the bigger issues with the movie. I would’ve been perfectly fine if the only problem we were griping about was Batman’s No Kill Policy, however the story and editing of the movie itself proved a far more pressing issue.
Superman couldn’t fly for like 9 seasons of Smallville. 
Yea, it was pretty fuckin lame.
This movie has no plot, just a buch of storylines hamfisted together. The editing is horrendous. But I could ignore all of that if Bats and Supes were actually themselves. They weren’t.
Characterization trumps over anything IMO. And this movie failed spectacularly at that. Bat-hypocrite was a truly terrible character and Superman’s character changes within almost every other cut.
The movie says that once someone has been marked by the Bat he is as good as dead. Snyder has no ability to convey subtle, so yeah… He has been fucking people up for a while. Alfred even questions Bats on his actions, in that he has been more brutal then ever. The complete disregard for human life in the chase scene sealed the deal for me.
I wouldn’t mind them taking another interpretation of Batman and Superman here as a basis if they established it. They didn’t. Snyder comes out and tries to defend that’s his vision yet the movie still abuses the fact they are both cultural icons and people are aware of them for plenty of stuff. You can’t have it both ways. Either these are new characters and you treat them as such, or you go the Marvel route and the core of those in there adding a few tweaks to bring them to modern audiences.
Alright, I guess I’ll give my own piece after…basically ignoring the last 3-5 pages.
As a wise kid once said, I expected nothing and yet I am still disappointed. And that’s the worst part, I was disappointed. I didn’t come out absolutely HATING the movie or thinking it was the shit of the universe. I was just annoyed and disappointed that there was a lot of potential in the movie that ultimately fell by the wayside.
It all calls back to what I said months ago. WB had no faith in the concept of just simply Batman vs Superman. If you cut out half the movie, insert more focus into just those two I think DC has a legitimate winner and a way to challenge for the throne because the true BvS parts were legitimate fire that should’ve been expanded on far more. Instead, they thought it wasn’t enough and decided to throw everything else in there and it just felt cluttered and rushed. I counted what, 6 running plotlines going on at once? 4 minimum and it showed. There was no focus anywhere, no place to catch your breath. It was just getting to one story beat after another with no sense of pacing. That could be forgiven if we had spent any time with the non-MoS characters previously but we haven’t. The actual BvS fight was the only thing with actual pacing in the entire movie.
I’m not going to harp on any particular nitpicks because I think they’ve been discussed to death and a lot of the nitpicks are just that…nitpicks and it shows in quite a few criticisms that do make it seem that people just want to hate the movie. I will say that I do agree that Affleck brought it, and was the best part of the movie. It really makes me wish they had gone ahead with doing a Batman movie first because it would’ve REALLY brought up the tension level. I’m sure his movie will kill it though, he won’t allow it to go down another road. He’ll be in Ryan Reynolds mode from here on. Also…I am one of the few who actually doesn’t hate Cavill as Superman. I think the script doesn’t do him much in the way of favors though. If the script decided to stop treating him like a Messianic Figure I think he’d be much more well received.
But again…my feeling isn’t hatred of the movie but just disappointment. It’s not the worst movie in the world, Rotten Tomatoes is going overkill on the rating it is not worse than Batman and Robin. I’d argue it’s better than Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 and some of the other lower echelon Marvel movies. It just…it’s not that it could’ve been better, it SHOULD’VE been better. You see the flashes there. But due to complete lack of confidence the movie just gets in its own way half the time. It worries me too because if they didn’t have faith in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN and they see these reviews, how much faith could they possibly have in their solo outings? How much more will they try to squeeze into every movie now? Affleck needs full control of a Batman movie to slap DC and WB back into sense. That is their best chance and their one big hope right now to turn everything that went wrong in this movie into an absolute right.
Benbats confirmed bes bats.
Saw it. Will go into detail after work, but the movie was a lot better than I thought it was going to be
I’m not going to lie…I wouldn’t argue heavily against it. He obviously needs his own outing to really prove it but it should say something that for the first time, Batman who is a character that often falls to the wayside of other more interesting characters and rogues, finally steals the show and takes command of a movie for once.
Funny how he basically made a career of making comic book movies.
(Fuck you “graphic novel” purists)