Balrog Thread

After the whole super? This seems to be some effect of lag, or maybe it is shun joker who has the game genie! I have tried that by simulating 30 Hz turbo and not only it hasn’t worked, but Rog recovered and had enough time to complete his crouching animation. The frame data agrees with this result.

Yeah, after the whole blocked super. There are some matches on youtube between me and Shun and you can see him doing it on me. I think you have to walk in a tiny step and then sweep but I’m not sure. Shun gets it on me almost every time though.

I’ll look for it. Thanks for the reply, man!

Frame data suggests Ryu can sweep the after the second to last punch if it’s with straights.

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Here’s the vid. You can clearly see Shun sweeping me after the full blocked super at 4:45. Frame data is great and all but that’s not the end all, be all as you can see. :slight_smile:

Is this re-producible offline? Is he able to do it anywhere on stage? It doesn’t seem like he needs to walk forward at all, although that may change with the spacing on the super.

Ryu is able to do it anywhere on stage and it works offline too. .Not sure how Shun is able to do it so consistently, though…

I’ll be sure to try that against you offline next time then. I’m curious as to how easy it is to perform this reliably in a match. When I used to try it against Rogs, I usually end up eating a headbutt.

Afro, I have double-clicked the play button so as to try to get the exact position your character was getting tripped. The position your Rog was looked like this:

This is not a frame that is part of Rog’s super. The last frames from that move are

and

Also, I noticed from another video of you against shun joker that you favored cr.Strong after the super, heavily. Like, almost every time you did a super, you tried a cr.Strong after it. Are you sure you were not using it without even giving it a thought anymore, since it is usually a safe move? Else, then it must be some bug - which is not something really abnormal in this game - or the lag. Or lost inputs*, which have been common to me, somehow, sice GGPO’s last update, and have always been a bit common with Supercade.

For the record, I did not really just check the frame data, I tried using an emulator and pressing cr.RH every other frame while Ryu was blocking the super. See: emulators have, so far, gave us the closest results which are observed with a real board - better than any console ST port out there, definitely.

*DOWN and BACK are different inputs. Online, it may happen that DOWN is read, and BACK isn’t. So you stand there thinking you are safe, and you are not.

Edit: fuck, the image commands do not work, so I will just replace them with the real links.

That might be like a GGPO meme glitch. On arcade the super doesn’t stop that close to you after its done.

I agree that this may not be a consistent thing offline. Ryu being able to sweep after blocking Rog’s Super is huge, and I’m sure that we would see a lot more Japanese players using this in those Gamespot vids. I can’t say for sure if it’s possible, and I know afrolegends is maybe the best Rog player ever, so I’m not sure what to make of this.

Edit: it might also be possible that due to spacing, Rog’s Super maybe slowing down a little after the last hit, allowing Shun Joker to sweep. I’ve seen Rog hit out of his Super at every possible hit in the Super cuz of the “slow down” bug, including just before the last hit. Maybe this is a variation on this bug.

I was definitely not doing a cr. strong after the super. It looked like he swept me before I could even go to crouching block position.

Edit: So I asked osaka-pizza on GGPO if it was possible and this was his response…

<osaka-pizza> There is a timing ,ryu can hit ↓strong k
<osaka-pizza> I do not understand the exact timing

That would mean that if I time it right, I should be able to spd rogs super with hawk too. Because hawks spd range is the same as ryu’s sweep.

It may be that the listed frame data shows Ryu’s the sweep starting up 1 frame slower than it really is. Then the punish works with reversal timing. (In HDR, Ryu’s sweep starts in 3 frames.)
I’m too lazy to look through the video to check, but another possibility is that it’s a 50% unblockable like Ken’s point-black fierce SRK.

Hawk is wider than Ryu, so pushback may be different. That said, Boxer’s fastest normal has 3 frames of start-up, and the super is, theoretically, -4 on block - so, as long as you stay out of Boxer’s throw range there should be a 7 frame window where you can safely walk toward him while releasing negative edge SPDs.

WHAT?!?!? explain this? so if ken is face to face and fierce dps, there is 50% chance that you can’t block it? or is there a special setup?

It’s only 50% unblockable if opponent tries to block at the same time as Ken’s DP. It you are already blocking you will block it 100% of the time.

In case u guys missed it, this is a must watch:
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1:36 oO

is the mystery already solved? its seems to me that to be able to sweep Rog is more related to the mix up of stand/crouch blocking mix up

cuz this is so true for Zangief, if I want to SPD Rog at the end of his super, I need to block high, if I keep blocking when crouch, I wont be able to grab him

Shun looks like trying to reversal dp each rush( in case it pauses) n one side effect is that either:
1)Rog travels further towards Ryu after the last hit, or
2)Ryu somehow shortens the pushback going from stand position to crouching

it might be the collision boxes(yes, those ones that seem useless) r wider when Ryu is crouching, Shun takes advantage of it, so he blocks the last hit in crouch, but immediately stands up so he both wins frame advantage(1 frame?) of blockstun, but since the standing collision box is smaller, Rog ends up a few pixels near to Ryu, enough for giving him the extra range n frame(s?) needed to sweep him before the super’s recovery.

its just my theory, which is better than thinking shun joker uses a game genie or some GGPO glitch( those GGPO glitches belong to me LO0l XD )