You have to cancel normals into a dash punch and then camel the dash punch into vskill.
I think he means cancel after the vskill followup?
Which would be a link
If you want to beat 3f normals you can go for:
clp, smp (ch) slp xx lp or ex straight
clp, slk (ch), clp xx mp straight or ex straight
smk, smp (ch) xx ex straight. < I like this because on hit it will just go into ex straight, on block you’ll still be +1.
What do you guys usually do after a CC sweep?
I was labbing and I found a meaty setup.
CC sweep, immediate HP dash straight, whiff st.mk, st.mk.
The st.mk hits really meaty so you can get another st.mk
From there you can go into:
TC
Dash straight
Grand Blow
On CH you can get cr.hp > hk screw after the st.mk if you’re able to confirm counterhit.
After CC sweep, I’ve seen PR rog do dash st.LK, neutral jump into deep j.HP or empty jump cr.LK.
Interesting, I’ll have to try it.
I’ve also seen CC cr.hk > KKB > neutral jump hk as a safe jump from jav1ts.
Against characters with no 3f jabs, s.HK (block) into c. MK, c.MK target combo works as a trap. Easy v-trigger -> go to town. If they block the first c.MK, you have time to block their jab/kick. I’m just learning the game but seems useful enough against spastic jabbers. c.lp frame trap into s.lk, s.mk is better all around to be honest, but sometimes you want damage and lazy confirms (scrub Rog here, yet to be paid).
Forgive me if this is old news, but I think these two set-ups work solid together against button mashers, especially those with 3 frame jabs.
https://youtu.be/AZit6V17ur8
Found something kinda cool (if it hasn’t already been mentioned yet).
Fwd.throw, v-skill <counter-poke>
If the opponent quick rises, and presses certain buttons (looks like mediums and heavies), you get an opportunity for a low risk counter-poke (I think in general)
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[] Against Mika, if she does st.mp, you can counter-poke with st.mk or cr.mp
[] Against Ken, if he does cr.mk, you can counter-poke with cr.mk xx cr.mk xx v-trigger etc
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I’m late as fuck but here are all the Balrog set ups I found with Zeniside. Some are already found but I’m just pasting from my readme. I gave all of these to PR Rog lol
Knockdowns (3f wake up)
- st.mk>st.mp>v-skill hook>dashx2>st.lk CH (Can use grab against 4 frame chars)
- st.mk>st.mp Target Combo (no v-skill finish) >dashx2 >Throw (grabs meaty can replace with light CH)
- st.mk>st.mp Target Combo (no v-skill finish) >dash > st.lk whiff > st.mk CH
- st.lk Target combo > dash > wait a frame cr.fp CC
- Low blow >dash >Any light/medium except cr.mk or throw
- Back Throw > whiff stlp HP Dash Straight
6a. If Counter-hit, EX Dash Straight.
6b. If Counter-hit, Raw Critical Art for the kill
6c. If Counter-hit, cr.mp > MEDIUM Dash Straight (Might be LIGHT Dash Straight) - st.mk~stmp V-Skill (No V-Skill Finish) >whiff st.mk >st.hk CC
- st.mk~stmp V-Skill (No V-Skill Finish) >whiff st.mk >cr.HK CC
8a. Crush Counter Sweep > Dash Up x4 >Meaty Throw
Dirty Knockdown (3f wake up)
- Target Combo Hook> Target Combo Hook will counter-hit, VT on confirm > cr.MP > Dash Straight (Light combo for example)
Corner
- mp~mk v-skill (No V-Skill Finish) >whiff grab >CH st.lk Target Combo
- mp~mk v-skill (No V-Skill Finish) >whiff grab >meaty grab
- mp~mk v-skill (No V-Skill Finish) >whiff grab > st.lp will counter hit
Final Edit: Cleaned up the useless stuff.
Can somebody tell us how that v skill is has mixup since youre left open every time you spin and they can dp you when you do that?
Well first of all if done in a combo his spin doesn’t leave you open. His vskill with a punch doesn’t leave a gap until after the punch and leaves you +2 so they only have a 1 frame window for a successful DP reversal if followed with his 3 frame jab and it is pretty quick and can be hard to react to in time with a DP. A Vskill with a kick leaves a gap before the kick but leaves you +5 so you can easily combo afterwards. So they pretty much have to guess which one you are doing.
Second, not all characters have invincible reversals to interrupt it anyway.
I hope I see at LEAST one set up I’ve made at EVO so I can take a shot of this vodka.
Good Luck to anyone using Rog at EVO
I have been trying to figure out how to get the V-Trigger to kick follow up, to V-Skill Punch, to Ex-Dash to connect. I have yet to be able to connect a V-Skill after the kick follow of dash punch (while in VT) yet. I can get the overhead follow just fine, but the V-Skill punch just whiffs. Any helpful tips? what I am trying is just: VTrigger, Dash Straight~Kick follow (one hit)~MP+MK~MP>EX Dash
Also, I was curious can this be done after his target combo MK~MP~MP+MK~Punch follow? It seems like the same type of situation that I see the vskill punch juggle gives after the kick follow of a vtriggered dash, but I cannot get the EX Dash punch to happen fast enough to juggle?
Also excuse me if my notation is slightly off, been a while since I posted on these forums!
It’s not
VTrigger, Dash Straight~Kick follow (one hit)~MP+MK~MP>EX Dash
It is
VTrigger, Dash Low (x2 or x3)~MP+MK~MP>EX Dash
or
VTrigger, Dash Straight (up to x4)~MP+MK~MP>EX Dash
If you want this on a juggled opponent you have to start with EX Dash Low instead.
Thanks a lot BrokenPSX! Still tough but I finally got it to work. This should be noted somewhere because everywhere I have looked doesn’t break it down like that.
I should of did this sooner but I’m noticing people are not quick rising against Rog which is Smart. So when I get some time I’ll do a part two of those set ups.
Juri is coming out on the 26th so I don’t know when LOL That’s my real main
but just know those set ups can be converted and if you want to explore please do because I want to gitgud also with Rog
Actually that VTrigger, Dash Straight (up to x4)~MP+MK~MP>EX Dash doesn’t work. Don’t use it. I’m pretty sure there is no way to link an EX Dash after a Dash Straight.
Use Dash Low to knock them in the air to link EX combos. Use Dash straight for fantastic resets. Either will link to his Critical Art as long as you end with Dash with the punch follow up.
Having trouble with ex straight xx Vskill punch ex straight. Tips?