This was a long time ago, but I just realized that I screwed up my response to your DJ vs Guile question. Lemme try that again = D
Vs Guile: yes his Sobat is very good against DJ’s cr Strong, but that’s the only thing Guile has that can beat DJ’s pokes, and he has to give up charge to use it. DJ’s cr Strong will beat pretty much anything else Guile has, and he doesn’t have to give up charge for it. Seems kinda fair to me, even though I prefer using Guile in this match.
Basically I use Sonic Booms to cover my approach towards DJ and if he responds with Max Out, then I pressure with Sobat, and then mixup with either back Sobat to avoid his counter poke and punish with a counter poke or another Boom, or walk up throw, or another Sobat going forward, rinse repeat. If DJ blocks the Boom, go for the throw, or just cr Short, cr Forward, Boom for more pressure Also if DJ is spamming MOs, Guile can punish with his long range jump RH from full screen, so I use this to keep DJ worried. This match is pretty similar to the Chun Li match for Guile.
I feel like it’s slightly in DJ’s favor. It can be pretty difficult to anti-air DJ’s max-range j.RH and j.jab reliably. DJ’s cr.strong beats out any of Guile’s low pokes, and using his hop kick results in fairly little damage, and the loss of charge. On knockdown, DJ’s potential to land huge damage off of an ambiguous cross-up is too great, and his super has a little bit more versatility than Guile’s.
I know this is a total neco-post, but just in case anyone’s still looking at this thread… as far as I can tell, deejay was built for double-tapping inputs. ie: drum the button with your middle finger and then your pointer with a tiny gap between–or use your toes; i don’t know what you folks do these days. once you get that down, all his combos are fairly easy. just make sure that if you’re trying to do the st. mp > dread kick you hold down mp so you don’t get a negative-edge air slasher/maxout.
It’s not really required to double tap his inputs, just takes time to learn the timing of his combos, block strings, and counter-hit setups. As far as pianoing the MGU, one popular method is to piano fierce, strong, jab, two times in a row, wait a split second, and then press fierce for the final hit.
Honestly, you can play Deejay to a fairly high level without even mastering his combos. It’s far more important to know how to utilize his normals properly, as well learn the zoning game.
Woo! Other humans! I agree that it’s not required, but when I’m nervous, all hell breaks loose. Double-tapping is just a statistical crutch, but it seems to work. And in ST, you’re right about the MGU; in HDR, though, the timing is super loose. Piano it, absolutely, but the relaxed timing means you can be 7-beers in and still nail 4-hits. I’ve still never hit a 4-hit MGU in ST, and I’ve had a lot of espresso and spent a decent amount of time.
Also, I just want to say cheers to Noriega; I see you posting all over the place (AE akuma forums) and dropping good knowledge.
I’ve recently started to attempt to learn how to double-tap a lot of my critical cancels and links, and I agree that it does help with consistency of execution. I wouldn’t call it necessary, since a lot of good players do quite well without bothering to learn these little execution tricks and techniques.
4-hit MGU is pretty difficult to land in ST, but I think that makes it much more rewarding once you are able to hit it consistently in a heated match.
Also, I scanned the thread, but didn’t see it mentioned: What are my options in the Chun-Li matchup? I know st.Strong will stuff a bunch of her jumpins, but then you’re really just in a fireball match, which is a losing battle as she just gets to build free meter.
jumpin lk seems to stuff most of her stuff in the air, since she has such a huge jump arc (especially off the wall)
in footsies, cr.strong and cr.fierce seem OK, but sort of unreliable.
lk.dread kick seems to do pretty well until chun gets a good read and starts throwing out cr.rh.
what beats her s.Strong? We have a good local chun who can pretty effectively shut me down with simple s.strong/throw pressure. i.e: she’ll even whack me in the startup animation for maxouts. should i be using s.forward more, and trying to stay further back?
i just feel like I’m fundamentally playing this matchup incorrectly.
Is my timing just off? I was getting my cut kicked by a ryu and i abosulutely could not counter his ground jab and or the… fist punching downward thingy he does… Any who, it feels like to me that deejays counter timing is really off compared to ryus shoryuken or something.
Is my timing just off? I was getting my cut kicked by a ryu and i abosulutely could not counter his ground jab and or the… fist punching downward thingy he does… Any who, it feels like to me that deejays counter timing is really off compared to ryus shoryuken or something.
You want might to delete that double post and edit your first post instead of adding to it.
Hard to tell. Ryu’s overhead can be pretty difficult to block or counter online, and he’s able to combo after the hit. Exactly what are you trying to counter and with what move from Deejay?
I have tried all of his moves as a counter. Machine gun punches, dread kicks, and up kicks. In all manner of buttons (heavy, medium, light) and i can never counter those damn things…
Also i hit the edit button on my post but it doesnt give the option to delete?
