Cool jeff. We’ll see you in a week sir.
Yes, it was out for the arcade first, but it’s on the consoles now. And I doubt most players on the eastcoast played sf4 at an arcade, let alone seen one. Most tournaments are not set-up like this (evo, for example) and claiming to keep it “as arcade perfect as possible” isn’t a viable reason. If so, then according to this principle alternate characters should be banned as well. Yes, hitting all three punches/kicks on a stick is hard. But it’s darn right impossible on a controller. And to be honest, I still haven’t read any good reason as to why this rule needs to be enforced. Not all of us can afford to pay $200 to buy a stick. More people have controllers at home than sticks. IMO, this elitist mentality only further slows the growth of the gamer community here in GA. Sf4, in short, has allowed a lot of casual players (like myself) to play more competitively now. But if the intent of this tournament is to restrict the majority of sf4 players (PADS) than I can predict a steady decline in participants.
Shinblanka and myself have always held tournaments geared more towards the ARCADE Style of play & Community.
Shinblanka, nor Magnicious, nor Myself are gearing our tournaments towards BEING LIKE anyone elses, everyone has there own set scheme.
I don’t want to push you away at all bro’, I totally “Understand” where you are coming from, this is a discussion held many times over when other tournaments similar to this one or Final Round or Impact Clash roll around.
Everyone has there own opinion, views, etc.
All I can say is Shinblanka has the last say/final decision.
WARNING: He already made up his mind on page one, be prepared if he does NOT change it!!
Time to address the macro issue people have with my rules!
1st. Attacking me in e-mails/pm’s will do NOTHING but piss me off. This will not help your cause in changing my mind. All it will do is piss me off.:annoy: You know who you are and I don’t need to call names because that’s childish imo.:blah:
2nd. I’ve always ran my tournaments in this fashion. I’ve been running tournaments for over 15 years (12 with FinalRound) so I think I know how to run a tournament and what is fair.
3rd. It may not seem like i’m not listening to the pad players or i’m hating on the pad players, but i’m really not. It’s not my plan to shit on pad players if that’s what you guys think i’m doing. Games that came out in the arcade 1st I try to keep the way you play them in that standard. I’m old school and that is what I believe in when you play fighting games.
4th. I do listen to the people with good sound opinions that aren’t attacking, name calling, or pouting about my rules set. We can talk and I can change my mind sometimes if someone brings up good points instead of crying and whining.:rolleyes: I’m an old school streetfighter player, so that’s where I get my views on how the games should be played. I do understand that some of you guys never played any fighting game in an arcade.
The only thing you played in the arcade was ddr and pump it up so I kinda understand the angle you guys are coming from. Using :3p: and :3k: is how ya’ll learn how to play streetfighter. Ya’ll don’t know any better is what is going on imo, but I do see how you guys could see it as being unfair since you didn’t learn how to play sf the correct way. I am a fair person and I look at things from all angles to try and find a solution.:wonder:
It’s not retarded sir just hard to do. I’ve seen pad players not use :3p: or :3k: and have done very well in tournaments. There’s a player in south Ga named “fatherbrain” that plays with ZANGIEF without using the :3p: or :3k: macro’s. He has one of the best gief’s in ST on ggpo. I seen him play on his pad and he doesn’t use any macro’s. This is not to say everyone can do what fatherbrain can do on a pad, but don’t make it seem like it’s imposible to do if you don’t play with a joystick. hard YES, but with time you can do it sir.
Everyone knows gief needs his lariats to play well in sf4 but he doesn’t use the handicap.
That’s what i’m trying to do and i’ve always done with my tournaments.
You makes some good point eddie, but if I allow it for pad players I have to allow it for joystick users also. I can’t just say the pad players get an extra 2 buttons to make their abillity to perform ultra’s better than the stick users but the joystick users can’t use them also. I miss my blanka hop into the ultra when I don’t use the :3p: button atleast 50% of the time. That will get you killed in tournament play missing anything 50% of the time so I don’t even try it during tournament because it’s too risky for tournament play imo.
When I use the :3p: button in practice mode just to get the timing of the hop into the ultra I NEVER MISS hop into the ultra! NEVER missing something isn’t apart of streetfighter imo. The human error is what seperates the good players from the scrubs imo. So yea I view it as a cheating shortcut.
I’m not hating on the pad players imo. This is an old school traditional style rule set I use at all of my tournaments. I don’t think it’s fair for pad players to use those macro’s and I shouldn’t because I use a joystick. You have a higher chance of never missing your ultra combo’s or anything that uses multiple :3p: or :3k: attacks over a joystick users. Do you think it’s fair for the pad player to have an added handicap/advantage like that over a joystick user that is playing the game the way it was meant to be played?
It seems the pad player isn’t thinking about the other side of the coin in this argument. I’m playing against a person that will never miss an ultra when they do the ultra that puts me as a joystick user at a disadvantage imo. I’m sorry if you guys can’t see that, but it’s true. Your thumbs can move faster than anyone’s whole hand/wrist can to do motions. There are 6 button pads that pad players can use to make it easier to press 3 buttons or 3 kicks instead of relying on a macro trigger handicap when playing a fighting game.
I feel that a 3 button macro is an unfair advantage pad players have over joystick players. I can’t allow it for pad players and not for joystick players also. When I was a pad player I used the 6 button saturn pad to play sf. This way I was still playing with my thumb, but I had to play with the same button set up as the joystick users. That was a very long time ago, but that’s the way I view pad use and. If changed my mind and allow it for pad users then I would have to allow it for the joystick users also. I’m just trying to look at it from both angles. I understand the pad players point of view on this subject, but I feel you guys don’t see my P.O.V.
I’m glad you see what i’m talking about and why I have the rules. I am thinking about allowing the default settings with :3k: + :3p: for pad users and joystick users. I’m a flexable guy and I think since most things are console now I should try to adjust with the times. It’s only fair imo. Just no FOCUS ATTCK BUTTON OR THROW BUTTONs!
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put me and bigboi down for stf4 and me sc4:tup:
Shinblanka I will say that a 3x Punch and 3x Kick can be more abused by a 8 button joystick player more so than a pad player, Especially with characters like Boxer/Balrog. It’s way easier to charge the turn punch on a macroed programed button on an arcade stick than on a pad. So, if you take 8 button sticks into the equation (Which the popular SF fight stcks and TE sticks are) than both people get an advantage. Just my .02.
Dog do you guys know how EASY it would be for me to pull of my Rog Tactics with just ONE BUTTON for 3 Punches or 3 Kicks or my Rufus… OR BLANKA ohhhh my lordie
dnt kill me for saying this larry:sweat: i so need my 3x buttons cause i dont play on stick. it aint bout it being easy or harder,if thats what its been for so long then that sad…it comes down to what people feel more comfortable with…right? hand positioning is sooooooooooo diffrent in stick and pad.on stick,u have your all your buttons in front of u,and u should be comfortable because u play stick and pressing 3 buttons should not even be a problem…now as for pad on default or without 3x buttons how can i pull off my ultra,i mean its not impossible for me to pull it off,but what about in a intense match where i gotta think fast and pull off an ultra and i gotta go all out my way,a way that i was comfortable with,to pressing 2 face buttons and a top button…and all the stick player has to do is press 3 face buttons that are right infront of him…who’s gonna get their first if both players is at same level of comfort with their pad/stick? the stick player:china:
There are 6 button pad’s sir For ps3 and for 360. That isn’t a good excuse imo for pad players that want to be hardcore in sf4. You don’t have to spend $200 on a joystick and no one is telling to you to spend that much on a joystick. You can get a six button pad that cost just as much as the regular pad. With that said I will allow :3p: and :3k: for pad and joystick players to be fair. It’s not fair to allow something just for a certain group (pad players) and not for everyone. This really goes against my belief’s in playing sf, but i’m willing to adjust to the times. If anyone uses a throw button(:lp:+:lk:) or a focus button (:mk: + :mp:) you will be kick out of the tournament no questions asked.:arazz:
yea,now stuff like throw buttons and forcus button users should be kicked out. those are default face button presses anyway.those buttons are right infront of u just like stick users. see what im saying?
I won’t kill you john and you know we hommies, so I take what everyone says into account. I understand what your talking about john. You know i’m old school, but I will be fair and allow it for both pad users and joystick users. I was watching justin vs daigo in the evo finals and they had right to use :3k: or :3p: at evo but they didn’t use it. I saw them miss some fadc combo into the ultra in those grand finals because they wasn’t using those macro’s! Everyone saw them miss combo’s and that is apart of the game imo. No one is perfect, and that’s what I wanted to keep in my tournaments.
I’m all about being fair to the people and I won’t allow it for pads and not for stick users. It’s only fair imo.:wonder:
I know sir. Well get ready because it’s ok to use them now.
I respect your decision to change the ruling on PPP and KKK buttons. At the same time, there are a lot of people who only have 6 buttons on their sticks and I can see how this could be unfair to them. For the most part though, even those people won’t care (myself included). There’s really no “correct” way to go about it I guess, I just thought I’d throw that out there. (Not griping)
4 days!!! GET HYPE!!! :bgrin:
I really appreciate this.:pleased: I can’t wait to go now!!! So excited! Thanks again. Sorry if I came off sounding harsh or demanding. Don’t look at it as compromising. Rather, adapting to the new generation of gamers. There’s a huge new population of competitive players out now and we’re eager to learn from you guys. :karate:
actually, all pad players can use the PPP or KKK macros, except JTO…:tup:
:bgrin::razz: :lol:
So does this new rule apply to all games, or just SF4?
SF4 defaults is what I was talking about sir.:tup:
Huzzah! Super late pre-reg for the win!!
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I’ll definitely be there. I’m driving like half of the Mid-TN crew so yeah. I’m stoked, too.
Yo Jason L and myself are trying to get some games in tonight, is anyone available??
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