When did the jail thing start? Is this new?
Dunno why Raz0r got hit, but Furious and I thought some shitty poster was a bot thread, and we got bopped for flagging it as spam.
Mass stabbings in Asia have been happening for decades, whether conducted by crazed citizens or separatists. The trend only really started to come to light after the spate of attacks in China. Far as we know, China’s stats on mass killings are classified.
Yes, we know. And they’ve been dropping, as has all violent crime in the US. Each incident simply gets more coverage so the impact is more immediately felt.
History shows this kind of violence is on the decrease. Bans have already shown that they are ineffective. Why do you continue to advocate something proven not to work?
And yet more people continue to be saved due to firearms than are hurt.
To kill, or deter those who are trying to kill us, as is the case with any situation where lethal force is the only viable option to preserve your life. There is a time and place for this, however rare.
OK…America bans guns, let’s say, next year…what do you do with the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of guns in the hands of people right now? Do you go and steal them back? Buy them back? Force them to surrender them? What happens the first time somebody gets their house broken into, and they can’t defend themselves???
Please, attempt to put a LITTLE thought into this…
This post might quietly be the burn of the year.
Need proof? At least 3 grammatical and spelling errors and yet no reply.
Pedo just snuffed out his entire bloodline.
Well, Raz0r IS banned as of this morning, so…lol.
There have been multiple incidents happen in China where knives were used and resulted in death tolls that far exceed any mass shooting in the US
They’ve also had a regular issue over the course of a few years where someone runs into a school with a knife, long blade, axe, etc. and butchers a bunch of children
Why do we allow people to drive giant one ton machines capable of killing a human? Why do we allow people easy access to Hydrocholric acid? Why do we allow people access to materials that could easily be made to use a bomb?
The thing is taking away guns isn’t going to solve mass murder. We can clearly see that in other countries where people just change the weapon to knives, trucks, lighting buildings on fire, etc. Anyone with a little creativity can come up with a dozen ways to kill/injure a lot of people quickly. Especially if they have no regard for their own life.
In fact we had this discussion before I actually talked about how how cars could easily be used to commit mass murder. I said all you had to do was wait for a day with a large crowd and then proceed to drive your car through it. And wouldn’t you know it.
We just had an incident of mass murder where someone drove their car through a large crowd of people. Exactly how I said it could happen!
Ok, then ban the ammo. If they are caught with a gun, take it away.
lol. You were like all against guns before but now it’s a more popular opinion in this thread you are your mouth to get more nuts inside. Man you kiss too much ass.
I was never against guns, stop making up imaginary shit you fucking mongoloid.
And good job, ban ammo. So let’s go back to my original argument again. What do you do with the hundreds of millions of guns WITH AMMO people already have? You realize you can make bullets, right?
Got damn, did you ever graduate kindergarten, or was drooling on all your tests just a minor setback in the clusterfuck of failure you call your life?
I never denied China or even mass killings with other tools but the frequency of gun violence in the United States or around the world has been too long too much. This isn’t just based on the school/public shootings we here on the news, most of the highest crime areas in the United States are cities that have the most gun owners. You can bring in all these reports about domestic violence happening with other tools and no one is denying that can happen but compare the frequencies. The mass-stabbings that happened in china range from 2010-2012. 2 years. In the states, gun violence and mass shootings have been a problem since the 70’s probably even earlier than that.
I’m not saying we should take away guns because it guarantees peace, but lets see what happens. If things get better then we did the right thing, but if mass killings happen even more or just the same (in frequency) then we can always put it back. Lets just give it a try.
I will live the same way i do now. I don’t own a gun, never did… i’m not going to buy one because i am afraid of “hundreds and millions” of gun owners charging at my door. This current situation of mine is not different from many people around the world at this present time. Your whole “argument” is stupid and exaggerated as fuck… realistically you can have a gun and you will still get blown away from “hundreds of millions” of guns with ammo. LMAO at you claiming what is imaginary… nigga your logic sucks. But hey, you are the same guy who actually didn’t know the definition of suicide, thought that pilots trained to escape planes are suicide pilots, and celebrated from the links he posted regardless of all of it telling him he was wrong. You are a joke soviet. You are still the trash poster you were a year ago who just ended up getting a push because of certain posters not posting here anymore. Quit lying, your opinions change the moment you see various posters saying something.
You are as tyrannical and stupid as the left wing. Your arguments have no basis in reality and would likely lead to the tyrannical government the left wing is hoping, PRAYING for.
Take away the 2nd and 5th amendments and the rest of them mean absolutely nothing, but it is worth it to live in your ideological world isn’t it? You know people like that, where ideology trumps reality and rights, are likely to become terrorists.
that wasn’t what I asked you, simpleton. Go back to colouring books.
No, but you are focused on guns like their absence is going to suddenly make mass murders stop or even make a dent on the murder rate when we know from statistical data that it hasn’t proven to be effective. Mass murders still happen and some of the methods used are damn near impossible to stop. For instance Austrlia had an incident of mass murder via arson in 2009 that killed 173 people. For perspective Australia has roughly 1/13th the population we do so that death toll would be the equivalent of 1730-2595 people dying in a single event in the US.
That’s like nerfing 3S Yun, sure you took away one tool. He’s still got 13 others that work just as well.
Ah so because they have uses the people that die on a daily basis due to their misuse don’t matter?
I mean we could very easily remove the ability for the public to own cars and go to a mass transit system where only people with training are allowed to drives buses, trains, etc. Why do you need a personal vehicle? Is your convenience worth human lives?
Or if you are insistent on keeping cars, we could very easily save a ton of lives by lowering the speed limit to 30 MPH everywhere. That way crashes are less lethal and pedestrians are more likely to survive getting hit by a car. Would you be in favor of that?
Those are solutions that still allow us to make use of cars and could potentially lower the death rate in this country. Don’t you care about human lives?
It’s very ironic you mention this since that’s precisely the reason why most people don’t want guns banned, because when rouge governments are trying to secure their dominance they try to ban things like freedom of speech to outlaw criticism, they go for weapons so that there is a power imbalance between the population and the government, they station troops near civilian populations so they can maintain power on an area, they use unfair trials to shove people into prison or ship them to places where they can’t cause problems for the government, etc.
Take a wild guess why the first five amendments specifically deal with things like the right to free speech, the right to a fair trial by your peers, the right not to be forced to house troops, and the right to own weapons? Because those are the things that corrupt governments seek to get rid of in order to control populations. We have thousands of years of human history that pretty well demonstrate this quite well.
Because it’s stupid to go around banning things because of hysteria and it is even stupider to go around banning things to “feel good” when there is evidence that it doesn’t work. People tried to ban violent video games because they might cause kids to become violent and go shoot up a school. We know now that would have done nothing. Likewise banning guns haven’t been shown to stop murders. The vast majority of murders in a first world country are things like domestic violence which will happen with guns or without them and gang related activity which would likely still happen.
There is not only a lack of evidence that gun bans will work, there is actually the opposite. Evidence they don’t work.
Especially since you are talking about this at a time where murder rates in the US are at a 25 year low, crime rates have dropped, mass shootings have actually decreased, etc.
Instead of banning guns we should ban Zataltard from breathing.
It can certainly be done, though.
We have holes in our current gun control system that need fixing; we don’t need to remove legal guns, we have to crack down harder on illegal guns.
And I’ve always hated how anti-gun control people say “it’s a mental health issue” then suggest ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to fix that. I agree that mental health is the real problem at work here, but only using it to argue against gun control and never fixing it just leads to more shootings.
Its not a mental health problem at all. Its a gang violence issue. Doesn’t mental health account for only like 5% of the homicide rate? We need to be tougher on crime, bot punish law abiding citizens.
No i didn’t. I’ve made it clear, even from the first thread that banning will not stop mass murders. I’ve said it repeatedly.
How can we just ban tools that we use for lifestyle purposes? Any single object that we use can be used for killing: pens, forks, dental floss, scissors, random hard/pointy objects but you know we can’t just ban that because we need them. Fuck, we can make weapons out of ourselves by buffing the fuck up at a gym and just go around punching weak people off the street… but we can’t ban exercising because we need that. All these “examples” you gave all have a significance and they were never designed as weapons. You ban cars, scissors, etc and we lost a tool that allows us to do certain purposes and conveniences. Guns don’t have any significance or conveniences, they are basically meant/designed for killing multiple people instantly. You take guns away and there is no convenience or significance leaving with it, therefore the only reason why it is a big deal is simply because of Americans.
If the person has hurt/killed a number of people/times with his car then he should be banned from driving. We can’t just remove it all from the public because we need cars at this time. The problem is, you are making analogies with objects/tools/technologies that can be used as weapons regardless of being designed for important use and not taking in mind that banning them will also cause allot of problems in our lifestyle and general convenience. If we ban guns we don’t lose anything… but fuck yeah, you are american, i mean if you didn’t have guns then you would of failed robbing this country from the native americans.
No i wouldn’t be ok with that, and yes convenience means allot. I am a guy who wants to go from A to Z as fast as possible. I go to Manhattan and I want to get home to the Bronx on the same day… i’m sure others feel the same.
I care about human lives, that is why I am against guns… but we do need cars, it’s a shame that there are jackasses in this world that use it -intentionally or accidentally- for hurting others but cars have a significance and it is a major impact in our lifestyles if they are banned.
No. People just want guns banned because we are sick and tired of hearing about mass shootings… fucking 20+ years of this shit is enough. You got to get over it man. It is easier to create mass killings with a gun than anything you have just listed as an example, including a car. A gun can do mass killings, anywhere, including indoor places like malls, restaurants, classrooms, and offices that are located at the top floors… Take a look at England, Costa Rica, and Japan. Those places are loaded with depressed and suicidal people - these are the most arguable reasons for someone to do mass killings- just like here in the USA, but you don’t hear much mass-shootings or killings like here in the US and the reason why is because those people from those countries do not have any easy access to kill as many people in less than 3 minutes. Fuck, a fucking 5 year old can kill his entire pre-school in a minute with a gun, he can’t do the same with anything else.
We don’t have evidence of gun-ban being ineffective. Like I said, lets just try it out and see what happens. If you fucking americans get over yourselves and stop being fucking scared of losing power, you will see that we will not lose anything in losing guns. If our country gets higher murder rates, then we can bring it back. Eventhough the crime rates have dropped it doesn’t mean they are not above average. Having more than 3 reports of mass shootings is allot, and since we have more than 3 most of the time for the last 20+ years then there is really nothing to boast about.
Japan and England say other wise. Fuck Americans man.
No. You guys are being fucking stupid. You guys are acting as if banning guns is a big deal. It’s not. You americans are just fucking cowards, always have been ever since you landed here on the Mayflower. You could not take this country over and you could not kidnap africans, or plant burning crosses in front of their lawns with out it.
You asked a stupid question “what if a hundred million…” and i gave you that answer. You just have very bad reading comprehension, that you didn’t understand your own question. Just like time you posted all those links to support your arguments and couldn’t understand even one sentence written in them that saying you were wrong.
I’m done with this thread. No body can argue about guns with Americans, their whole identity started from guns so it’s like banning culture to them and there is one guy who loves getting in the middle hoping to get jizzed on.