Ask the Random God of Mvc2 anything

System_1 · August 22, 2007, 6:59pm

Cables AA is my favorite assist with Doom and is also my favorite way to use Cables AA assist. Dooms air normals work well enough in that there is less random hit effects on the character then with other people on point. You can pretty much catch the assist hitting them with pretty liberal timing and position and its still reliable.

Tigerboi · August 22, 2007, 10:23pm

Doom with BH AAA is hella good.

Doom/cyke is a great team overall with either of them on point.

icefuzion.remix · August 22, 2007, 11:22pm

Thanks a lot, what about Zangief? Gief Capcom an sent?

Tigerboi · August 23, 2007, 12:01am

Beeble put us down with the gief knowledge.

Beeble:

This is all the stuff I know with gief… I was gonna make a vid but due to lack of recording equipment and the scene where I am it’s not gonna happen. So here it is in wonderful text form.

GIEF SPECIFIC NOTATION
SPD (Spinning Pile Driver) - 360 + p
FAB (Final Atomic Buster) - 360 + p
RBG (Running Bear Grab) - hcf + k
ARS (Aerial Russian Slam) - dp + k
BF (Banishing Flat) - dp + p
lariat - pp or kk
nuts - df + k throw
bite - hk throw, k after dash
flop - d+hp in air

GROUND ASSIST (A)

alpha counter can be cancelled into FAB

sets up for supers/snaps nicely (4 hits)

good OH setup (only hits high, so opponents duck so no chip)

gb setup: call gief, jump + attack, opponent gets hit by gief
Generic - Jump, call gief, air throw into
Iron Man - cr.lk + call gief, cr.lp, j.lp, j.lk, j.lk, j.uf+hp, inf
Magneto - cr.lk, cr.hp, sj.hk, ad/df, d+lk, lk, land, j.lk + call gief, j.hp, j.hk, tempest (the end can be inputted anywhere during rom reps)

cr.lk, cr.hp, sj.hk, ad/df, d+lk, lk, land, j.lk + call gief, j.hp, j.hk, land, sj.lk, ad/df, cr.lk (reset) … (ditto for here)

cr.lk + call gief, cr.lk, dash, rom

in corner, launch, magic, hp throw, cr.hp + call gief, sj.hp, ad/d, hp, land, snapback/cr.hp…

in corner, launch, magic, hp throw, cr.hp + call gief, sj.lp, sj.hp, d+lk, lk, rom
Morrigan - cr.lk, cr.hp + call gief, sj.lk, sj.d+hk, darkness illusion
Rogue - s.hk + call gief, (hold forward), sj.lk, sj.hp, lk, kiss
Sentinel - s.hk, magic, fly, hp throw, f.lk + call gief, f.hp, unfly, dash, s.hk…

call gief, hp throw, s.hp, hp rocket punch, HSF

s.hk, sj.lp, sj.lk, fly, ff.lp + call gief, f.hk, unfly…
Storm - cr.lk + call gief, cr.lk, s.hk otg, sj, ad/f, lk, lk, lightning attack x2, lightning storm

cr.lk + call gief, cr.lk, s.hk otg xx lk typhoon xx hailstorm

cr.lk + call gief, cr.lk, s.hk otg, sj, ad/f, lk, cr.lk… (mixup with trijumps etc…)

in corner, s.hk, sj.hk, ad/df, hk, land, s.lk, s.lp, s.hp, s.hk, call gief, hk throw, repeat

THROW ASSIST (B)
Chun Li - in corner, s.hk, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, sj.d+hk, call gief
Magneto - launch, magic, ad/uf, magic, fly, call gief, unlfy

launch, sj.hk, ad/df, d+lk, lk, j.lk + call gief, j.lk

call gief, dash, rom
Iron Man - cr.lk + call gief, cr.lp, dash, inf
Sentinel - in corner, s.hk, magic, fly, hp throw, f.lk + call gief, unfly
Storm - in corner, s.hk, sj.hk, ad/df hk, s.lk, s.lp, s.hp, s.hk, j.lp + call gief

SNEAKY DHCs
Setup throws with things like AHVB! Good times.
Cable - cr.lk, cr.lk, s.hk, hp psimitar xx HVB, DHC FAB
Cammy - launch, magic, air throw, cr.lk, cr.lk (whiff), qcf+kk, DHC FAB

hp throw, cr.lk, hk cannon drill xx KBA, dash up, qcb+kk, DHC FAB
Hayato - b+lp (plasma series start), lp, hp, lk, lp, (non plasma series link) cr.hp, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.lp, sj.d+hk (whiff), qcf+pp, DHC FAB

in corner, b f+pp (command throw), cr.hp xx qcf+kk, DHC FAB
Magneto - launch, magic, ad/uf, magic, tempest, DHC FAB

launch, sj.hp, ad/df hp, hk, land, cr.hk, tempest, DHC FAB

launch, sj.hk, ad/df, d+lk, lk, tempest, DHC FAB

in corner, cr.lk, s.hp, sj cancel, ad/f hp, tempest DHC FAB
Rogue - in corner, cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.hp, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.d+hk, super DHC FAB
Ruby Heart - cr.lk, cr.lk, cr.hk, lk sublimation, j.hp, dash, partinelle, DHC FAB
Sentinel - hp throw, cr.lp, fly, ff.lk, f.lk, turbine, DHC FAB

cr.hk, ff.lk, f.hk, turbine, DHC FAB
Wolvie (ME) - in corner, cr.lk, s.hp xx Fatal Claw DHC FAB

GENERIC DHC SETUPS

rush super (good on block), dhc (works well with shotos where last part is overtop opponent)

dp, air super, dhc (a la cable, also works with ryu, cyclops, sonson etc…)

NOTE - for shits and giggles, other throw supers may be subbed in for FAB (akuma/d.sakura raging demon, dan suicide, sim yoga strike [specific DHCs only], bb hood hyper apple for you)

COMBOS/THROW SETUPS

cr.lk, cr.lp, sj.lp, sj.lk, SPD

cr.lk, cr.lp, sj.lp, sj.lk, sj.hp, land, follow up

cr.lk, cr.lp, sj.lp, sj.lk, pp lariat, land, cr.lk(pseudo crossup), cr.lp relaunch [or] jump back flop, df+lp relaunch [or] follow up throw

cr.lk, s.hk, lk ARS

cr.lk, s.hk (one hit), hp BF, follow up throw

in corner, nuts, otg cr.lk, cr.lp…

(blocked) s.lp, s.lk, lp BF, follow up throw
with mags(a)- crossup flop + call mags, s.lk, s.lk, RBG/FAB

in corner, bite/nuts, otg cr.lk + call mags, cr.hp, jump in hp SPD

in corner, bite/nuts, otg cr.lk + call mags, s.lk, j.lk, follow up throw

in corner, flop + call mags, s.lk, lk ARS

in corner, flop + call mags, s.lk, s.hp, lp BF, follow up throw
with sent(y)

jump in flop, s.lk, s.lk, lariat xx FAB framekill dhc HSF (for those of you who prefer guaranteed combos)

cr.lk, cr.lp + sent, sj.lp, sj.u+lp, lp (on way down), follow up throw

crossover flop + call sent, cr.lk, cr.lp, reset
with spiral(a)

cr.lk + call spiral, cr.lp, sj.lp, sj.u+lp, cr.df+hp relaunch

cr.lk + call spiral, cr.lp, hold forward when you follow the launch, sj.lp, sj.hp, reset

cr.lk + call spiral, s.hk, lk ARS follow up throw
with doom(b)

cr.lk + call doom, s.hk, lk ARS, j.lp, reset
with most assists

in corner, bite/nuts, otg cr.lk, + call assist…
to mecha gief

flop, s.lk, f+lariat, transform (transform on last hit to knock away or earlier to keep opponent near, can be used to setup throws/combos)

FOLLOW UP THROWS
SPD
RBG
FAB
walk up nuts
dash throw
psychic lk ARS
Jump in air SPD

ARS MOVEMENT

use hk ARS as a better normal jump to cover long distances and crossup

you come out in jump mode so you can call assists

bait with lk ARS when they expect the hk version

if you feel lucky, use it as a psychic on wakeup

useful to fake “jump” in, then throw (use aerial SPD for most surprise factor)

ON MECHA GIEF

mecha gief (rdp+lk) can’t block, but cannot be hit out of anything, only thrown

use sparingly. Not a bad idea in a 1v1 situation (depending on who its against). Not worth it to pop first thing in a round and switch

his ARS sucks. it goes no where close the distance of normal giefs. DONT USE IT

fire is good to stuff other assists

remember to switch playstyles. Mecha gief can’t block so go all out

you can transform back to normal gief using the same command, and since it only costs one meter this is a good idea at times

crossup flop + call sent, s.lk, s.lk, hp breath (xx super if you really want to, but damage isn’t too hot after all the buffering, dhc possibility though, can also be used to set up normal gief pop)

HK CANCELLING
I’m not sure as to how useful this is, but I do know that it isn’t worthless. So you can SJC gief’s s.hk on the second hit. The trick for the timing is to do both the down and the up motion of the SJ during the second hit. This can be used with assists to extend an otherwise short combo. The two I found to work are with spiral (a) and thanos (a).

Cr.lk, s.hk + assist, SJC, lk, lp, hp.

You can follow up thanos assist with another combo. Spirals can lead to either a tick throw or a relaunch with df+hp.

RANDOM NOTES

with mags, if you connect a cr.lk on a short character or a croucher, and want gief a assist to connect, use cr.lp as a follow up

if you are interested in gief’s y assist, check out murakumo’s second dhalsim vid; at the end there’s some really nice guaranteed resets. It’s better then anything I can come up with. Also Check out his own gief vid.

mashable: bite, nuts. Mashed nuts does 48 damage(!!!). Do 360s during SPD/FAB for more damage.

you can air spd standing characters

check out the srk newbie thread under mvc2 general for advice on mashing (courtesy of joe zaza). It can also be applied to getting more damage out of SPD/FAB

trick from Higher Jin: after hp air combo finisher (midscreen), hold back. This will put gief into flying screen but in dash range, pretty much guaranteeing a throw

after landing a RBG/SPD (where the opponent is thrown away), if they roll you can cross them up via FAB DHC HSF during the roll (they will roll behind sentinel). Other anti-roll options include jump back flop and standing SPD. Opponents will learn to stop rolling.

alpha counters with (a) gief are sweet. If your point character is getting rushed down do a 360 during block starting with the alpha counter, then continue rolling the joystick for a FAB.

if you land a lariat, you can cancel into FAB then framekill DHC into stuff like hail/proton canon/HSF for guaranteed damage

you can ‘float’ in the air by just doing whiff spds. Good vs sentinel who will want to ub you whenever you jump.

empty jump ins are your friend. If you do knees (d+lk) or flop or lariat while jumping, you don’t get to do anything else until you land so be wary.

poke and poke and poke. His normal lights may not be on par with other chars, but they are pretty good for block strings and more importantly, setting up throws.

don’t rush blind, you’ll get killed. Play smart and deliberately.

Ultimate Atomic Buster aka UAB aka the level 3 super (360+kk) is useless. It’s a waste of 3 meters. Don’t use it

to avoid sent UB when snapped, do an aerial spd when you come on screen to float

VIDS TO CHECK OUT

murakumo’s gief vid (really crazy aaa assist stuff)

djb13’s TotT vol.24

magnetro’s gief vid

Gasp · September 3, 2007, 10:41am

in a fly sent vs fly sent battle whats the battle plan?
i know as far as getting him grounded but what do i do to achieve that?
fly up as high as possible and dodge rps get in close and lplprp+AAA?

Wheat_Toast · September 3, 2007, 2:37pm

No Team Z love?

Either that, dodge -> RP, or just Pan. When you’re that high, it’s almost useless adding an AA in the combo, seeing as how sometimes it can cause them to recover above the top of the screen (Plus, I don’t think CapCom AA doesn’t even go that high).

Gasp · September 3, 2007, 3:16pm

hey, quit trying to impress me.

Wheat_Toast · September 3, 2007, 3:25pm

I want your hat.

Biolink · September 4, 2007, 5:13am

I’m sure this has been asked a dozen times already,but I’m having trouble connecting the 4th hit for Magneto Rom

Cr lk.>cr. HP(launch)>[lk+lk(3 hits)>addf lk+lk]>superjump(Repeat what is in the brackets)

I’m practicing on mostly Big characters like Hulk and Sent and still can’t get the timing down.

Yes I am playing on the shitty Ps2 version(Hangs himself).It’s all I have for right now at least until I can start working.

Anyway,after the launch I immediately lk(2x),I pause for like 1 second ADDF,but it doesn’t combo.

I keep going after that and I can rack up combo and sort of ROM afterwards,but what’s the point because if that 4th hit doesn’t land nothings going to combo after that unless the person is a retard and forgets how to block.

Green · September 4, 2007, 7:48am

You’re forgetting the hp/hk. The solo setup goes like this, and there will be no silly arrows:

c.lk c.hp ^ sj.hp/sj.hk addf sj.d+lk sj.mk v [^ sj.lk sj.mk addf sj.d+lk sj.mk v]

^ is super jump, v is land

It might be easier to practice off of Psylocke’s AA assist.

Biolink · September 4, 2007, 3:46pm

Oh shit awesome.

Radiant93 · September 4, 2007, 4:57pm

@ Biolink
try doing the input on the mk a bit slower from the lk.

Biolink · September 5, 2007, 12:49am

I can do it a little bit now.

I have the basic gist of it.

Is this the best and recommended one?Or is there another one that’s better,but probably just as easy?

What about Mag’s other,I want to call it a combo.

Jump ADDF HKv(land)Cr.HK(slide)and then it goes into Super Jump canceled HK v cr.HK.I think it hits up to six times(Though it might be an infinite)

Starts at 1:45

[media=youtube]vxR3N8yoZ2Q[/media]

sealhunta · September 5, 2007, 12:57am

yeah that combo does nice damage but the first hit is rollable, and it is reasonable to assume that top players would be able to roll on reaction. You could probably get away with it once in a while. i like doing

c.lk, c.hk, SJC, ad/df lk, land, c.hk, SJC, ROM

lol i had to make a clip [media=youtube]j0boGq7T5gg[/media]

Biolink · September 5, 2007, 1:56am

Fucking awesome.Thanks for the video.Practicing up right now

Moar questions()

1)What’s a good setup into gravity balls for both of Magneto’s supers?

2)Is Magneto’s Air grab a command?
I get it at random,and it doesn’t work when I try to airgrab leading me to bleieve that either it is a command or it’s just random

3)What is a good basic Reset combo(Can anyone explain the gist of it)
Basically I see guys taking huge chunks out of the enemies health and overall it seems more useful than an infinite because infinite is more work,and it has damage scaling.If I am not wrong I think they do go hand in hand together though.

sealhunta · September 5, 2007, 3:24am

well anything really, as long as they are in hitsun. I think there is a special procedure when doing it from the rom if u want to continue the rom afterwards. i think u airdash forward when ur in the corner so u can keep ROMing.

2)magneto’s air grab is just like anyone else’s generic air grab. u have to press forward+ HK or HP. I’ve never ever tried to grab on purpose, it happens in the heat of the battle when ur close.

3)infinites are guaranteed damage, i would consider them the safer more conservative option. resets do massive damage but they are not guaranteed and u can get punished for it too if ur opponent catches on. I don’t know any good resets.

Green · September 5, 2007, 3:46am

c.hp ^ sj.lp sj.lk sj.mp sj.mk HG xx MT
s.hk (one hit) xx MS
ROM land ^ sj.lk sj.mk adf sj.lk (sj.mp) sj.mk HG xx MT

No, left/right+hp/hk. They can’t be in hit stun or block stun.
I think you’ve got the idea of damage scaling. Resetting the combo allows you to start from big chunks of damage again, but it comes with the risk of them blocking the reset.

During ROM, you can do:

land, dash behind c.lk+assist c.mk
addf pause (crossup) sj.lk sj.mk
land, dash behind tj.hk c.lk+assist c.mk
land, slow tj.hk (crossup) c.lk+assist c.mk
nj tj.lp c.lk+assist c.mk
sj tj.lp c.lk+assist c.mk (experiment with the timing and type of trijump, one gets you more crossups than the other)
land, sj.lk sj.mk addf sj.d+lk sj.hp (cause flying screen) land nj-back adf+Psy/Cyke (crossup)

sealhunta, why would you show somebody c.hk sjxx tj.lk c.hk as opposed to three roundhouses?

sealhunta · September 5, 2007, 4:07am

he already knows that one, read his other post. I just showed him what i find easier, he can do whatever he wants, also, u can also go into the slide infinite and do more then 3hk if u want

Green · September 5, 2007, 5:03am

Yeah he knows of it but I don’t think he’s got it down yet. It’s much more tolerant in terms of timing than the sj.d+lk version and does more damage to boot.

Slide infinite is cool to know but not worth doing in a real match.

Biolink · September 5, 2007, 5:24am

Thanks guys.I have a lot of practicing to do.

As of the slide thing I was talking about it,yeah I have seen it a few times,and I think I know the basic theory or whatever,but I don’t have it down just yet(Practice…Sigh)

This is probably elementary,but do you guys know how to Fastfly and Unfly with Sent?

I think I know how to fastfly(It’s hitting Forward+The attack button right?),Unfly is kind of strange.I read the guide and to my understanding you have to get hit by something and maintain flight.Should I be looking for any signs?