OP is a Circus clown, only insight comes from other members, this guy?
You’re FAR more likely to be shot by some random nigga. Fuckin’ media is showing these “man bites dog” incidents nonstop, making people think it’s an everyday thing.
People love to go on the internet and google information that conforms to their pre-existing beliefs without giving it any critical thought. These articles omit information in order to give the reader an idea of an injustice epidemic.
The “1 in 25” or “4%” stats you posted only refers to death penalty cases. Death penalty cases account for a minority of the serious cases that are tried in the US. I doesn’t account for the hundreds of millions of cases that have been tried.
Again, 166 overturned each year out of the hundreds of of millions of cases of cases that are tried over the span of decades.
You really going to go with the fake news option select? Really? Did you even read anything I linked? Please look up burdens of proof, specifically beyond a shadow of a doubt. If the death penalty is the hardest conviction to get and the numbers of wrongfully convicted people are already that high, how bad do you think it is for crimes with a lower burden? I’m seriously asking you to think for yourself here instead of whatever stupid shit your training manual says.
BTW they only started tracking wrongful convictions in 1989. You know, after we outlawed segregation and tried to get our shit together regarding systemic racism. What we know is only the tip of the iceberg, and you would know that if you had actually read what I posted.
You posted quotes, two sources and a statement. I responded to your statement.
If you wanted to discuss the rest of the article then you should’ve said so.
I know what the legal standards of proof are and FYI it’s called “beyond a reasonable doubt” not “beyond a shadow of a doubt”. Maybe you’re the one who needs to read a law book instead of regurgitating the crap you read on the internet.
Fair enough, but does that disprove anything I said? I don’t understand why you make this thread then proceed to evade people’s questions and act like a prick.
Also, if you’re a cop how do you have all this time to shitpost on forums? The only positions I can think of that have this free time are meter maids and crosswalk guards. So which are you?
I answered your post, You then respond with speculation and then you ask me to disprove your speculation. I’m not going to entertain that.
If you want to doubt what I do for a living then that’s fine. Have fun.
To your first question, the best way I can answer that is that we deal with bad guys on a regular basis and we see that they exhibit certain behaviors in certain situations. We also mainly deal with good people and we see how an honest person responds and acts. After awhile your ability to read subtle cues increases greatly. We also learn to read deception since we get lied to so often. And that’s where the “gut feeling” comes from. It’s an accumulation of past experiences. And this greatly affects the decisions I make when approaching and interacting with someone.
if by IA officer you mean an internal investigator who investigates cops. I don’t think they’re duplicitous, or anything like that. They have a job to do, and I’m confident most are doing it in good faith.
You stated “wrongful convictions have been proven in much less than one-one hundredth of one percent of total cases”
I gave you proof that that isn’t even the case where the burden of proof is at it’s highest. Do you have any evidence that proves your view? I can see how you think this way since your day-to-day probably consists of handing out parking tickets, but I need you to think big.
I specifically said people get caught in the crossfire “all the time”, not wrongfully convicted all the time.
So what I was getting at (perhaps poorly stated), is they get wrongfully stop and frisked, they get wrongfully profiled for living in the high crime area, they get arrested, processed, and then maybe released, or maybe pressured to talk to the police and maybe pressured to confess.
What does that do to an innocent person? It makes them angry and distrustful.
So let’s see what happens when people get charged with a crime they didn’t commit, quoted from that WAPO article.
Have some empathy for real people who are just trying to put food on the table. They can’t afford to miss work. They can’t afford to risk years in prison.
The problem is courts are backed up with too many cases. People can’t afford weeks or months in jail awaiting try. They can’t afford bail.
California jail over crowding:
State of emergency declared by governor of California over prison over crowding: https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=4278
"Locking Up Fewer People Doesn’t Lead To Increased Crime, Report Says" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/sentencing-project-prisons-crime-report_n_5621702.html
Here’s a specific example of wrongful conviction and how it went down:
And another
Back from the WAPO article:
Looks like they outsourced a murder charge to the police’s aggressive interrogation techniques.
Another lesson in not talking to the police.
But getting back to actual numbers:
Which showed 2013 was the highest number of exonerations ever at 87.
Which links to this lovely webpage that tracks exonerations. The image appears to show exponential growth in exonerations.
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/Exoneration-by-Year.aspx
If it continues for just a few more years, we will be looking at 1% provably false conviction rate.
Should we throw more resources at it?
The problem with studying wrongful conviction rate is “The study is “qualitative” and necessarily inferential, but I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to do better than that.”
"Qualitatively Estimating the Incidence of Wrongful Convictions - Marvin Zalman"
I would love to pay for a better system:
People see it all the time.
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/14/171822608/the-drug-laws-that-changed-how-we-punish
What was the motivation? To hurt poor people? Make money on private prisons? Not sure how it started.
But we know where it has ended up. An overcrowded system that locks up far too many people for crimes that shouldn’t be (war on drugs). A system that targets people with the wrong skin color. A system that coerces confession. Confessions taken at face value. Private prisons who have no intent of helping people and they’re only goal is to fill beds for cash.
And then the institutional racism:
"Illinois: People of Color More Likely to Face Prison for Drug Crimes"
Don’t mistake bravery with stupidity and delusion.
These lame responses got me like.
“34 criminal cases tossed after body cam footage shows cop planting drugs”
sigh
Dumb and criminal.
I think they butchered that last sentence. Should be “30 seconds after the officer turns off the record button”.
@AHVB_
What do you think of those instances where some female lunatic does something wrong (verbal abuse, physical assault) to some ordinary old Joe and then turns around and accuses him of doing something?
Example 1
Woman gets upset with another fellow customer because he asked for a refund. She subsequently pretends to be hit even though he is recording himself.
Example 2
Drunk girl gets belligerent with Uber driver. Uber driver tries to call authorities but the girl says they’ll never believe his story (or something like that)
How is Marilyn Mosby not fired? Seriously? Her incompetence got all 6 officers that were involved in the Freddie Gray case acquitted.
And she will goof up this case as well.
have you ever been shot?
Niggas get shot everyday, b.
@Slurmz Treat the police like you would someone holding you at gunpoint, within reason do what the nice man with the gun says. But generally avoid them at all costs.
Please let this thread die