True Story
True Story.
Yeah, I won the SCR online qualifier. I will play a round-robin vs 3 other’s that won their qualifiers for a paid trip to SCR. Funny thing is that I haven’t touched online since I went to Japan, but I just randomly decided to enter for the fuck of it.
Hey Strider how do you keep pressure up so well. Most Abels i see like to poke poke poke and then maybe get a fadc combo in but your Abel is always in their face. Also what would you say Abels learning curve is on a scale of 1-10
Hmm… I don’t think I’m doing anything special to “stay in their face”, I just think that I excel at doing something Abel is really fucking good at, which is abusing his wake-up mixup. I just know what I need to do and how to do it, which is get the knockdown, and try to minimize my damage taken while doing so. In order to get your knockdowns more successfully, you need a solid ground game and footsies. You also need to know what to do after you get the knockdown, so you have to get your setups down and on point.
Abel isn’t like Makoto, where she can just stay in your face and press buttons. Abel NEEDS his knockdown to win, so you shouldn’t really focus too much on applying relentless pressure when they’re up, you should be focusing on landing a hard knockdown. You need to identify which tool you need to use in every scenario (like using normal throws if they are abusing fast normals, OS’s if they are backdashing / jumping, or just TT if they are blocking or throwing, baiting reversals, etc…).
Of course, this is all match-up dependent, so you need to know what tools to use in every match-up and what goal you are trying to accomplish. You aren’t going to be trying to rushdown Gief as bad as, say vs Cody.
this is my favorite thread on srk
with some of the nerfs to Abel’s bad matchups I may get back on him in 2012. Whenever I play him in casuals I have too much fun…
Hey strider. Now that you can fadc the second low hit of cod in 2012, do you think its a valid change or something that will largely be ignored in high level play?
I want to hear how top players are going to use this. I’m a scrub, but just to chime in on that, for what it’s worth, I see players like Nekojita and Pikagoma currently use it sparingly. Generally it is when an opponent is outside of dash+sweep range / dash+lk wheel range, and seemed to be flustered, they’ll wiff the first hit of lp.CoD and then hit the opponent with the second low to suprise them, sort of like how Rufus can play mindgames with his messiah followups.
So I’m thinking it will be used sparingly as a fish move based on oki, meaning, you use it sparingly enough that the opponent never has a plan for it. The risk is low and the reward is now an U1. But this is my reasoning, I can’t wait to see how top players use it now!
yeah so far the only setup i know to use meaty second low is after you land a cod, do another cod and you can either follow up with a meaty 2nd low/middle or do nothing and block a reversal in time. but yeah, its gimmicky
strider
adon matchup
whadya think?
ive seen a lot of top abels getting raped thoroughly by adon players
and just now today i saw nekojita got beaten to a pulp by shinchan’s adon…
I despise Adon. You can’t focus, and it’s really dealing with safe moves that get him in for free.
Nah, still gonna be mostly useless. It would be really damn good if it was sped up instead of adding a couple of + frames. Cr.hp buff + damage is all he really needed though
6-4 Adon. He can abuse his bullshit all day and you can’t do much about it. Just look out for his st.hk, it’s really easy to whiff punish. If he’s doing strings into Jaguar Kick, you can interrupt it witha early st.mp, or just lk roll and punish the shit out of him.
Abel still loses this matchup…Just remember that the matchup turns 8-2 in your favor once you knock him down, just don’t get hit with stupid shit while trying to score it
Oh, BTW, I just got back on XBL, so you guys can feel free to add me to run some Abel sets
XBL: ii Strider LL
What does the ii and ll stand for?
Hey briefly about the wakeup mixup, if you do TT, dash forward xx roll front or back and then cr HP for elbow launcher, can you always get it meaty so that you can’t be thrown?
i am starting to work on this today, trying to learn this setup, and I haven’t been able to do it in practice mode to where I can’t mash throw myself out of it, though I have got that throw window really tight. It’s just difficult for me to know where my gaps are in the dash->roll->hit, maybe I should be using a faster normal to guarantee a meaty? do you have any idea what kind of frame advantage i am looking at off the dash to roll assuming perfect execution?
Wow this is very helpful. thanks.
Abel is top 8 for sure. Discuss
I wasn’t very familiar with the game back in Super so I don’t know if it works but is it good to use cr.hp as an AA for the juggle now? I’m sure the juggle rate is much bigger than in AE and if it trades it’s only good for me. Like I can rely less on the others and just whip out cr.hp more often?
Would abel be considered a hard character to use? I currently play dudley and was considering abel for a secondary.
Well, I put in a good 2-3 hours worth of gameplay yesterday and Abel does better against Bison I think, however Blanka is now a bitch to deal with the ability to knockdown and apply pressure with ambiguous setups/ultra, shit just got real.
cr.hp is amazing. Was it really this good back in super?
Breathless isn’t so amazing.
How the hell do you fight Chun now. Shit was stupid before and it’s still stupid now.
step kick punishes a lot more things now (due to other character changes. e.g.- Yun has to play more solid rather than throw shit out. )