The bat habits comment really isn’t wrong though. The mindset you need to put yourself in to be good in 3s will get you killed in a lot of other fighters if you aren’t good at adapting between them.
Though you’re probably better off trying to a hold of him and correcting him yourself rather than just posting in a venting thread.
The comparison to SF4 makes me think he hasn’t played AE, since footsies largely went out of style when Super became obsolete.
No it won’t, just stop playing like an idiot I.E. guessing. Play reactionary, it’s much more solid all round.
Sorry, I really can’t agree with the bad habits comment at all, SF fundamentals like poking, spacing and anti air are relevant no matter what SF you play, it may change depending on game systems, eg parry or even just defend. The most obvious example of parry affecting anti air simply means the defending player has to put a little more effort into exploring their options. If you jump recklessly expecting parry to be a “magic shield” even against a character known for not having strong anti air like Chun, you will run into problems versus a decent player. If anyone feels I’m bsing, take a gander at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQEB1QFnusw&feature=channel_video_title to get some ideas and perspective.
Bad habits are easily visible in the first 3mn of this Max’s vid. And they’re not particularly due to 3S.
Zero to do with mindset
Not knowing the mechanics of the game your playing is a weakness on the players part and that has nothing to do with the game itself. sf4 teaches bad habits for 3s and vise-versa.
Good spacing/footsies is good spacing wheither your playing st or 3s.
Footies (which includes spacing) is very important to every character. 12 needs to space his jumps/pokes so they are at least somewhat safe on parry and Mak needs to space herself so she can maximize her options and minimize her Opponents.
lol since when does twelve use gimmicks to win?
twelve isnt gimmicks. he’s just run away poking and tic throw mixups.
if he has a gimmick, it’s being incredibly annoying and not fun to play against.
that’s nothing like alex or ibuki or even akuma who can gimmick out wins like crazy against unexperienced players.
if you say you enjoy, specifically enjoy playing against twelve, you’re a liar. that’s the only thing twelve has going for him. Everyone references that fucking video of yamazaki as if its indicative of anything at all. so 1 out of like who knows how many times, twelve wins. hooraaaay! he’s secretly AWESOME.
Since always. Twelve is literally the El Fuerte of 3s.
And nobody is talking about Tweleve winning tournies or being awesome. Pay fucking attention to the conversation.
I have to agree with Tebbo on this one. 12, whilst it might appear is largely a gimmicky character, he infact relies on solid defence and good spacing on his jumps and air dashes.
As does Feurte in SF4. For example:
Elf, whilst it might appear is largely a gimmicky character, he infact relies on solid defence and good spacing on his jumps and guacamole dashes.
No character has such powerful gimmicks that they can ignore spacing and defence completely.
I can’t comment on Fuerte since I don’t play him, but weren’t you just saying that he uses gimmicks to win?
Elf like Twelve is a gimmicky character that doesn’t rely on footsies to win. The conversation stems from the idea that gimmicky characters (Elf) don’t exist in 3s (Twelve) or that mindless footsies (Rog, Dictator) also are not present in 3s (Chun).
Regardless if you consider Twelve to be gimmicks or not he is not dissimilar to Elf. (and you would therefore not consider Elf to be gimmicks) Deviljin considers Elf to be gimmicks so logically I would expect him to feel the same about Twelve.
If you consider such characters to be gimmicks or not has nothing to do with what I am discussing.
God you people are a bunch of whiny cunts. He was talking terms of street fighter, and in that sense it absolutely does give you bad habits. 3s significantly reduces the risk of jumping and gives you a very powerful option to avoid blocking. Sounds pretty anti-sf to me. Yea, the footsies comment was kinda silly, but stop being a bunch of bitches. He’s giving the game good publicity for the most part, which is more than you do making threads like this.
He may be giving out some wrong information but at least there is a vid of 3s on the front page. Players that get into the game and are having fun playing it will realize sooner or later that most of what he said is bull.
As I said, I don’t play Fuerte (or sf4 for that matter). So I don’t really have an opinion on him either way. 12 however, I completely disagree that he is a “gimmicky character”. He, as a character, is so fundementally flawed that he relies on solid defence (atleast imo) even more.
The majority of the information he gives out is just plain wrong.
Seriously, if you think jumping in 3s is safe, you’re a scrub.
You totally missed the point.
Which was?
Where the fuck did you get the idea that I said that jumping is safe? I said the risk is significantly less given your option to parry and to change your jump arc.
“significantly” is still just as wrong.
If you consider Elf to be gimmicky you would also consider Twelve to be gimmicky. If you consider Twelve to be solid you would also consider Elf to be solid. The point is the similarity between the characters.
An argument for or against Twelve/Elf actually being gimmicky is irrelevant to what I am discussing with DeveilJin.
Well jumping forward is safer in 3s than it is in ST. Whether you measure that as significant or not is a matter of opinion.