Anyone else think the gameplay is a joke?

gigglz · February 23, 2016, 3:45pm

jasonC:

D_Sledge:

All I know is that this game is extremely frustrating to me as a long time Street Fighter 4 player. It’s so much more defensive, it’s so much harder to actually start going in and putting on pressure with block strings. Most times, if you’re trying to get into someones grill, and trying to lock them down with normals, they can just mash on jab and get out of it. The focus on the neutral game and these methodical footsies is feeling pretty alien to me. I’m used to just kinda dashing in, throwing a bunch of jabs out there, and really putting on pressure to get my game plan in place. Here, I feel like I’m just kinda walking back and forth and just kinda throwing normals out there, just hoping they don’t get beat out by my opponents stuff. I understand that there’s a lot of stuff here that I haven’t delved into. The whole crush counter thing, I’m still not 100% on how it works and how I should be trying to get them. I know there’s a much greater emphasis on hit confirming, but in an online environment, I feel like that’s really difficult to do.

I like the game overall. But it feels so different from 4 to me that it’s really hard for me to really sink my teeth into. And I definitely feel much more uncomfortable playing this now, having years of experience playing SF4 at this point, then when I had zero experience playing fighting games at all. But that just might be me having a hard time making that transition.

There can be a lot of words to describe this post. At first glance, I thought it was a troll post making fun of the OP, but the tone is sincere and believably honest. I can see this viewpoint being common with players whose first and only fighting game was 4, so this is important. @D_Sledge and to others who feel the same way: welcome to fighting games and welcome to the next level.

SF4 was my first and (up to SF5) only fighting game I played…

Of course I fooled around with ST as a kid bit apart from tatsu/ hado I didnt know any moves…

Anyway, SF4 was my entry game, but there were still things I hated about it.
Setup play which I never bothered to learn
1frame links which were no fun to practice and scared away my friends from getting into the game…
overall reliance on option selects which made me feel like Im not even playing the game myself… “I did not have that read, the game did.”

Street Fighter 5 so far has gotten rid of that. I always enjoyed the “footsie” game the most and that’s emphasized in the new title.

I may be an 09er, but Im already having more fun in SF5 than I ever did in 4

MyNameIsTodd · February 23, 2016, 7:22pm

gigglz:

jasonC:

D_Sledge:

All I know is that this game is extremely frustrating to me as a long time Street Fighter 4 player. It’s so much more defensive, it’s so much harder to actually start going in and putting on pressure with block strings. Most times, if you’re trying to get into someones grill, and trying to lock them down with normals, they can just mash on jab and get out of it. The focus on the neutral game and these methodical footsies is feeling pretty alien to me. I’m used to just kinda dashing in, throwing a bunch of jabs out there, and really putting on pressure to get my game plan in place. Here, I feel like I’m just kinda walking back and forth and just kinda throwing normals out there, just hoping they don’t get beat out by my opponents stuff. I understand that there’s a lot of stuff here that I haven’t delved into. The whole crush counter thing, I’m still not 100% on how it works and how I should be trying to get them. I know there’s a much greater emphasis on hit confirming, but in an online environment, I feel like that’s really difficult to do.

I like the game overall. But it feels so different from 4 to me that it’s really hard for me to really sink my teeth into. And I definitely feel much more uncomfortable playing this now, having years of experience playing SF4 at this point, then when I had zero experience playing fighting games at all. But that just might be me having a hard time making that transition.

There can be a lot of words to describe this post. At first glance, I thought it was a troll post making fun of the OP, but the tone is sincere and believably honest. I can see this viewpoint being common with players whose first and only fighting game was 4, so this is important. @D_Sledge and to others who feel the same way: welcome to fighting games and welcome to the next level.

SF4 was my first and (up to SF5) only fighting game I played…

Of course I fooled around with ST as a kid bit apart from tatsu/ hado I didnt know any moves…

Anyway, SF4 was my entry game, but there were still things I hated about it.
Setup play which I never bothered to learn
1frame links which were no fun to practice and scared away my friends from getting into the game…
overall reliance on option selects which made me feel like Im not even playing the game myself… “I did not have that read, the game did.”

Street Fighter 5 so far has gotten rid of that. I always enjoyed the “footsie” game the most and that’s emphasized in the new title.

I may be an 09er, but Im already having more fun in SF5 than I ever did in 4

I can agree.

One of the main reasons I never got into SV4 was because my friends never wanted to play it.

Why didn’t they want to play it? Because you had to spend to much time practicing 1 frame links memorizing ridiculous frame data, and Option Selects…

It was too daunting to even approach.

with V, it still has the great footsies, the base for there to be an increasing amount of strategy.

The whole point of V was to bring the game back to Actually PLAYING the game, not whether you spent 4+ hours a day practicing your plinks.

LoupGris · February 23, 2016, 8:06pm

V-trigger can be used to make moves safe much like FADC, can be used to freeze the screen to allow for charging a move or anti-airing properly or can also be used to extend combos, ie it’s multi-layered. V-skills being different for every character is also good as every matchup feels distinct. There’s an article by Seth Killian, iirc, that talks balance, and how having all similar moves does not make a game fun even though it is balanced. To me v-skill are a refreshing way to make the characters feel really distinct. Also, lastly, Focus Attacks were really not as advantageous for some characters in 4. Some would benefit greatly from it, some not at all. Overall I feel like SFV nailed down multi-layering, especially for a launch release which is bound to add new features and mechanics down the road anyway.

Duck_Strong · February 23, 2016, 11:30pm

Everyone complaining is basically saying “it’s too much like an actual street fighter game.”

Maybe it’s time to realize that SF4 was the failed abortion of the series.

That piece of shit couldn’t be put out to pasture soon enough for me.

TMNTemps · February 24, 2016, 12:10am

i think before long SF5 will have plenty of its own problems and be in roughly the same boat as SF4 @“Duck Strong”

mIRC · February 24, 2016, 12:40am

SFV is a return to the series roots with it’s poor space control and homogenized cast. People who don’t like it just can’t handle a real Street Fighter.

NG1313 · February 24, 2016, 1:16am

Don’t piss in the pool. Find a bathroom and do it there.

Beganoo · February 24, 2016, 1:23am

Nah, that’s silly. People seem to forget SF4 had some proper footsies because it has so much more on top of it. SF V has only footsies.There’s very little room for innovation and creativity in this game compered to SF4, SxT (there are some really neat stuff you can do in this game tbh) and especially marvel because of the way it was designed. I’m convinced it will go down in flames if they don’t make some major changes to the gameplay.This shit will get unwatchable pretty soon on streams and it can already get quite boring to play even vs decent players.

doyoudigworms · February 24, 2016, 2:24am

Agreed. I understand what SFIV did for the community and what-not… but it is clearly the black sheep of the entire Street Fighter series. SFIV had so many uncharacteristic elements to the gameplay, it was hard for me to stomach (and still is). Things like floaty jumps, huge reversal windows, 1 frame links (plinking), invincible back dashes, FADC and a high concentration of OS were all elements of SFIV that turned me off. Furthermore, new players introduction to SFIV had begun to regard this as the norm and consequently are upset that many of those elements do not exist in SFV. Not to mention the general aesthetic, animations, music and character designs in SFIV are arguably some of the worst in the entire series.

Even 3S, for all it’s eccentricities… is closer to true SF than people like to admit.

NG1313 · February 24, 2016, 2:56am

No, that is wrong, and you and your kind need to pipe down.

Just how creative is FADC-forward or FADC-backwards?

Just pipe down before you and your kind may have some bad influence on Capcom with moronic consequences for the rest of us.

DeeQue · February 24, 2016, 3:04am

For every fighting game sequel, you have 5 types of people playing it…

The Scrooges: “The third version of the sequel will always be the best version of the game. Why do I keep buying this garbage?”

The Fans: “The game gets better with ever revision of every installment!”

The Pros: “Another version huh? Better learn it so that I can get competitive for EVO!”

The Joes: “No way! I can’t believe they nerfed my favorite character! This game is the WORST!”

The Casualists: “I wish story mode was longer…”

NOTE: It is possible for some people to have more than one of these mindsets, but from my experience everyone fits in here somewhere.

blinks Whoa…

RocketUppercut · February 24, 2016, 3:20am

outburs:

RocketUppercut:

What a dumb fuckin post.

You’re basing your opinion off of a barebones “starter pack” version of SFV. You haven’t even given this game a chance to evolve before shitting on it. 3 days of gameplay? I highly doubt you’ve learned everything there is to learn about the game in 3 days.

You sound like a cheeto-crumb wearing neckbeard. “kuh this game is soooo easy I’m above this” -pushes in duct taped spectacles against the fat folds between his brow and the bridge of his nose-

Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is. To expand on what was previously stated by others on this thread, you might as well go back to SFIV or tiddlywinks or whatever else you play with that kind of attitude.

Speaking of attitude you should check yours. The op stated his/her opinion on the CURRENT version of the game. Capcom sold this current version at the full price of 60 dollars so it will be judged by a full games standards. I’d also like to note that there have been several betas | test builds at events | cracked beta versions on pc. All of those have been available for months so this game has been looked through thoroughly. Once the other aspects of the game are added in future updates peoples opinions may or may not change. Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is.

doubleoh:

RocketUppercut:

What a dumb fuckin post.

You’re basing your opinion off of a barebones “starter pack” version of SFV. You haven’t even given this game a chance to evolve before shitting on it. 3 days of gameplay? I highly doubt you’ve learned everything there is to learn about the game in 3 days.

You sound like a cheeto-crumb wearing neckbeard. “kuh this game is soooo easy I’m above this” -pushes in duct taped spectacles against the fat folds between his brow and the bridge of his nose-

Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is. To expand on what was previously stated by others on this thread, you might as well go back to SFIV or tiddlywinks or whatever else you play with that kind of attitude.

Retard teen fanboys like this need to be regularly castrated so we don’t have to deal with their genepool further down the line. What else is he supposed to base his opinion on other than the barebones starter pack version of SFV? There isn’t anything else. Goddamn retard. Base your opinion on what IS, not what will or could be.

Sit down, trash. You and your opinion are nothing.

Morons like you don’t even try and comprehend the point I’m making, so let me explain clearly and thoroughly enough so even the most simpleton-like mouthbreather such as yourselves can understand:

There is no point in comparing the vanilla version of a fighting game to any fighting games that have been existence for much longer than a week. Street Fighter is very well known for the vanilla version of games being not as fleshed out or enjoyable as future updated version (aside from SF2: WW cause obviously that was a critically acclaimed success).

@outburs Your argument about the betas being in existence for much longer and basically being a reflection of the current product doesn’t change the fact that this game isn’t even close to done. I’m not disagreeing with you or the OP in saying that the game is in a poor state, I’m saying that he’s dumb for even making a post about it and claiming to have so much knowledge about with hardly much experience with the game, knowing full well that it’s not even a finished product. Even the OP isn’t a big of a clown as you though, because you’re missing the point in a much worse way than he is.

This game is released as a 60 dollar full game, but all the content is being released in chunks, something that many other developers are doing and people have no problem lapping up when it’s a hell of a lot worse under other companies… I’m not the biggest Capcom fan by any stretch of the imagination, but at least with Capcom the content isn’t going to come with an additional price tag (aside from the season pass for all the costume packs + other random premium content that doesn’t affect gameplay whatsoever). In addition to that, Street Fighter’s history of releasing a more technically advanced version of the predecessor (I.E. New Generation vs. 3rd Strike, World Warrior vs. Super Turbo, IV vs Ultra IV, etc.) should once again shine through and bring a product worthy of that 60 dollar price tag (Capcom never stated they were going to charge more for a new disc for Super V or anything like that.)

If Capcom really does fuck up and this game ends up being the giant turd that you guys are making it out to be, then cool, I’ll even be by your side shitting on it. As of right now though, despite the lack of content because of how chunked up it is, the gameplay is actually really enjoyable, and only the scrubbiest of scrubs make the argument that more mechanics automatically = more depth. Those kinds of people are usually the worst at games in general, and try to cling onto reasons (excuses) for their losses. Read up on Seth Killian’s Domination 101 if you want to learn more.

As for @doubleoh over here, I’m glad that you’re a fan of eugenics, because you should definitely volunteer to be first since you seem to be the prime example of a “retard”. You know what there is to compare this version of SFV to? The vanilla versions of all the games I mentioned. I suggest you read and use your pea-brain to attempt to comprehend even a tiny portion of what I had to say, and then maybe, just maybe, you won’t come off as a joke.

Zachara · February 24, 2016, 4:22am

What is this blasphemy?

Projectjustice · February 24, 2016, 4:37am

Anyone that says SF4 has better footsies than SFV needs to close their accounts and move on from SRK.

MyNameIsTodd · February 24, 2016, 5:09am

doyoudigworms:

Duck_Strong:

Everyone complaining is basically saying “it’s too much like an actual street fighter game.”

Maybe it’s time to realize that SF4 was the failed abortion of the series.

That piece of shit couldn’t be put out to pasture soon enough for me.

Agreed. I understand what SFIV did for the community and what-not… but it is clearly the black sheep of the entire Street Fighter series. SFIV had so many uncharacteristic elements to the gameplay, it was hard for me to stomach (and still is). Things like floaty jumps, huge reversal windows, 1 frame links (plinking), invincible back dashes, FADC and a high concentration of OS were all elements of SFIV that turned me off. Furthermore, new players introduction to SFIV had begun to regard this as the norm and consequently are upset that many of those elements do not exist in SFV. Not to mention the general aesthetic, animations, music and character designs in SFIV are arguably some of the worst in the entire series.

Even 3S, for all it’s eccentricities… is closer to true SF than people like to admit.

V has floaty jumps, 5 arguable looks and plays aesthetically worse that IV.

Rabbit2k7 · February 24, 2016, 5:51am

try not to burn yourself on this hot take

FengShuiEnergy · February 24, 2016, 5:56am

4 also had floaty jumps…go look at the frame data.

OrOCanBeatsTheBeat · February 24, 2016, 12:56pm

No, to me the gameplay is not a Joke.
To me, it feel like STREET FIGHTER again. I liked SFIV, but after a while, learning combos, FADC just to do the same dmg you can do with a HP in third strike bored me to hell.
One of many things that make Third Strike my favorite fighting game ever, is how every character feels actually different, and with the v system SFV is doing the same thing. The gameplay is more fluid and normals actually matters, i love that.

The main problem with V is how it lacks, right now, some basic and so mutch needed things for a fighting game: the cast is good, and the new characters are way better than the IV ones to me, but it needed at least 6 more ready for release…
No unlockable characters is a big disappointment.
I really think SFV was a F2P game in Capcom’s Mind and nowhere in the universe it deserve the 60$ price tag right now.
It’s a bland and “already dead” fighting game? No way.
It will expand and get better better? I hope so, i believe so, people and newcomers just needs to stick around and support the game.

Mr.Flowers · February 24, 2016, 1:51pm

RocketUppercut:

outburs:

RocketUppercut:

What a dumb fuckin post.

You’re basing your opinion off of a barebones “starter pack” version of SFV. You haven’t even given this game a chance to evolve before shitting on it. 3 days of gameplay? I highly doubt you’ve learned everything there is to learn about the game in 3 days.

You sound like a cheeto-crumb wearing neckbeard. “kuh this game is soooo easy I’m above this” -pushes in duct taped spectacles against the fat folds between his brow and the bridge of his nose-

Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is. To expand on what was previously stated by others on this thread, you might as well go back to SFIV or tiddlywinks or whatever else you play with that kind of attitude.

Speaking of attitude you should check yours. The op stated his/her opinion on the CURRENT version of the game. Capcom sold this current version at the full price of 60 dollars so it will be judged by a full games standards. I’d also like to note that there have been several betas | test builds at events | cracked beta versions on pc. All of those have been available for months so this game has been looked through thoroughly. Once the other aspects of the game are added in future updates peoples opinions may or may not change. Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is.

doubleoh:

RocketUppercut:

What a dumb fuckin post.

You’re basing your opinion off of a barebones “starter pack” version of SFV. You haven’t even given this game a chance to evolve before shitting on it. 3 days of gameplay? I highly doubt you’ve learned everything there is to learn about the game in 3 days.

You sound like a cheeto-crumb wearing neckbeard. “kuh this game is soooo easy I’m above this” -pushes in duct taped spectacles against the fat folds between his brow and the bridge of his nose-

Whatever though, you’re entitled to your opinion no matter how trash it is. To expand on what was previously stated by others on this thread, you might as well go back to SFIV or tiddlywinks or whatever else you play with that kind of attitude.

Retard teen fanboys like this need to be regularly castrated so we don’t have to deal with their genepool further down the line. What else is he supposed to base his opinion on other than the barebones starter pack version of SFV? There isn’t anything else. Goddamn retard. Base your opinion on what IS, not what will or could be.

Sit down, trash. You and your opinion are nothing.

Morons like you don’t even try and comprehend the point I’m making, so let me explain clearly and thoroughly enough so even the most simpleton-like mouthbreather such as yourselves can understand:

There is no point in comparing the vanilla version of a fighting game to any fighting games that have been existence for much longer than a week. Street Fighter is very well known for the vanilla version of games being not as fleshed out or enjoyable as future updated version (aside from SF2: WW cause obviously that was a critically acclaimed success).

@outburs Your argument about the betas being in existence for much longer and basically being a reflection of the current product doesn’t change the fact that this game isn’t even close to done. I’m not disagreeing with you or the OP in saying that the game is in a poor state, I’m saying that he’s dumb for even making a post about it and claiming to have so much knowledge about with hardly much experience with the game, knowing full well that it’s not even a finished product. Even the OP isn’t a big of a clown as you though, because you’re missing the point in a much worse way than he is.

This game is released as a 60 dollar full game, but all the content is being released in chunks, something that many other developers are doing and people have no problem lapping up when it’s a hell of a lot worse under other companies… I’m not the biggest Capcom fan by any stretch of the imagination, but at least with Capcom the content isn’t going to come with an additional price tag (aside from the season pass for all the costume packs + other random premium content that doesn’t affect gameplay whatsoever). In addition to that, Street Fighter’s history of releasing a more technically advanced version of the predecessor (I.E. New Generation vs. 3rd Strike, World Warrior vs. Super Turbo, IV vs Ultra IV, etc.) should once again shine through and bring a product worthy of that 60 dollar price tag (Capcom never stated they were going to charge more for a new disc for Super V or anything like that.)

If Capcom really does fuck up and this game ends up being the giant turd that you guys are making it out to be, then cool, I’ll even be by your side shitting on it. As of right now though, despite the lack of content because of how chunked up it is, the gameplay is actually really enjoyable, and only the scrubbiest of scrubs make the argument that more mechanics automatically = more depth. Those kinds of people are usually the worst at games in general, and try to cling onto reasons (excuses) for their losses. Read up on Seth Killian’s Domination 101 if you want to learn more.

As for @doubleoh over here, I’m glad that you’re a fan of eugenics, because you should definitely volunteer to be first since you seem to be the prime example of a “retard”. You know what there is to compare this version of SFV to? The vanilla versions of all the games I mentioned. I suggest you read and use your pea-brain to attempt to comprehend even a tiny portion of what I had to say, and then maybe, just maybe, you won’t come off as a joke.