Anyone else not buying into the SFV hype?

[xChromosone]

Game is pretty hype for me except the server issues and unfinished state of the game which kills a lot of hype for the casual player.

[AudricVsFood]

I honestly don’t think anyone’s BnB combos in IV require a one frame link. It might become your go-to combo when you get it down, but there are plenty of not optimized but good enough to get by combos in IV. But then, I don’t play Ibuki.

And besides one frame link combos really fall into the upper part of the learning curve, there’s plenty to learn and explore about your characters before you get there so that when you DO decide to learn them, it’s something to keep you interested and invested in the process.

Poison, Elena, Rose… all 1 frame link BnB combos. SF 4 fucking blows thank god its dead now.

It makes like MOST of the cast unplayable for people with bad execution or new players. This is why you saw like 10,000 ryu players and 100 rufus players or 100 poison players… its just stupid and kills the game in the long run.

SF 5’s combos aren’t free but they aren’t anywhere near as hard as SF 4 combos which makes the game a lot more fun to get into because there isn’t obstacles blocking a good majority of players from advancing to higher level gameplay.

For me, it took me months to master poison, elena, even rose’s main bnbs before I could even focus on how to actually play them in a match vs a good player.

• One frame links are easy if you put the time in.
• SF4 sucked for a lot of reasons. But citing 1-frame links as a reason why is stupid.
• You probably saw that many Ryu players for many reasons. He’s the most popular character in SF. In 4, he was the quintessential beginner character. He was balanced in just about every aspect and subsequently did well in a lot of matchups.
• You didn’t see Rufus or Poison players because those characters are fucking boring, not because their execution was difficult, because their execution really isn’t difficult.
• Maybe you not being able to focus on how to play those characters in matches against good players is a “you” problem. Because you’re actually supposed to learn how to footsie and anti-air with your character before you learn their combos.

You could literally make it to 3000-3500 pp off footsies and reads alone in USF4, and with multiple characters. In SF5, it’s really easy to win against someone who outplayed you about 70% of the match.

[AudricVsFood]

Well Xrd IS much easier than AC+R. However there’s still a high skill ceiling which allows people with good execution to distinguish themselves. That’s not the case in SF5, you can do the 1f links by literally MASHING. I’m ok with lowering the execution floor for new players, problem is they brought down the ceiling along with it.

And please all this “it’s not a show of skill”… EVO #37 talks for itself about execution hype.

Except execution isn’t everything, and everyone will tell you that the impressive thing about Moment 37 wasn’t that Daigo parried the super, but that he read that Justin was going to super and hit it at the right moment to parry (you have to parry it on prediction, not reaction).

I find it funny that people on the forums are still harping on about execution, when guys from the community who have moved on to actually start working on these games (Sirlin, Seth, Keits, etc.) have all emphasized yomi and tried to shrink the execution barrier. As Mike_Z once stated “SF4 got it wrong, combos should be easy, reversals should be hard”.

Actually, you parry off both read and reaction. Every reaction has a degree of reading in it.

And you’re wrong about execution not being everything. It is everything. Every time you put a directional input into your stick, every time you press a button, that is execution happening. Like you can’t even play the game at a casual level until you learn the execution to walk forward and not have an accidental jump come out. Execution is in everything, and therefore, is everything.

Would Moment 37 have happened without the read? No, but it wouldn’t have happened without the execution, either.

[AudricVsFood]

“Even when I win I feel empty inside guys!”

lol probably because all the critical arts look corny as fuck…they don’t have any impact. Still laughing at how necalli’s CA looks weaker when you power him up…it’s like this dude does some trash ass punch at an awkward angle, bruh shit looked better when he was going beserker barrage on people, should have made his shit like Sabertooth’s super from marvel lol. Some of them aren’t too bad but nothing special, like Cammy and Vegas criticals, but considering they are going with the whole cinematic approach they could have done a lot better to give you the impression of hitting someone with that final death blow(chunners one seemed to try and pay homage to the original animated movie, should have had her end it with that double kick through the wall lol)…but seriously freaking old ass kof sprites look more painful than this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4JN0uMIfY&feature=iv&src_vid=N9m0dHgl2Qc&annotation_id=annotation_287595963

Lol. I main Necalli (just to spite the game :P) and you’re right, his super does look weaker in V Trigger. Like wtf. XD

[AudricVsFood]

Well Xrd IS much easier than AC+R. However there’s still a high skill ceiling which allows people with good execution to distinguish themselves. That’s not the case in SF5, you can do the 1f links by literally MASHING. I’m ok with lowering the execution floor for new players, problem is they brought down the ceiling along with it.
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And please all this “it’s not a show of skill”… EVO #37 talks for itself about execution hype.**

But we have the potential for something similar in SF5, a game that ostensibly requires no execution

Also, I said 1f link combos weren’t a very good show of skill, not execution in general. This may be a bit off topic, but I’ve always felt chains are a much better show of skill than links…

It literally makes no sense why anyone would think a chain is a much better show of skill than a link. You just fucking mash the button lol.

[AudricVsFood]

Seems like this topic is leaning toward the direction of execution. Like come on dude, if it were easy, then everyone would do it. In my opinion, that’s the beauty of the fighting game genre in general. It’s difficult. You earn your wins. Without the struggle, there is no reward. That’s what makes the wins feel rewarding. You grind to learn how to outplay the other guy.

Wins don’t feel AS rewarding in this game. Sure, it’s a much better alternative than losing. But one of my friends, who was one of the strongest Third Strike players on the west coast, he’ll outplay me and win in 3S and USF4. In SF5, he’ll outplay me and I’m the one who wins.

This game is fun, but it’s not as fun.

[Daemos]

How about you fucking use the edit button?

[VersatileBJN007]

There’s always gonna be people who don’t like something no matter how dope it is. We all receive things differently.

Most fun I’ve had with a fighting game in a long time though.

[Clamper]

It literally makes no sense why anyone would think a chain is a much better show of skill than a link. You just fucking mash the button lol.

It’s kinda strange that he’s saying this while using a Slayer avatar, one of the link based characters in Guilty Gear lol.

[AudricVsFood]

How about you fucking use the edit button?

For the upvotes, faggot.

[AudricVsFood]

Anyways, it’s pretty hard to edit from a phone. Is scrolling through five posts really that difficult for you, or do you need your hand held while an adult walks you through it?

[Daemos]

When people subscribe to threads they receive notifications for new posts. By posting 5 times in a row you are effectively spamming their profiles. But you are clearly too big of an asshole to realize that.

[AudricVsFood]

When people subscribe to threads they receive notifications for new posts. By posting 5 times in a row you are effectively spamming their profiles. But you are clearly too big of an asshole to realize that.

Jesus. No wonder OG FGC heads say SRK is soft now.

And you want to call me an asshole when you came at me with disrespect. Lol keyboard warriors at it again.

ANYWAYS, let’s keep this thread on topic. You can pm me if you’re really that bothered. Or if you’re ever in SD, you could come to my gym and we could spar it out. Or if you want to keep crying, I could get you some Enfamil for you to sip on.

[Za_Fuuru]

Except execution isn’t everything, and everyone will tell you that the impressive thing about Moment 37 wasn’t that Daigo parried the super, but that he read that Justin was going to super and hit it at the right moment to parry (you have to parry it on prediction, not reaction).

1st. It wasn’t a read, he was walking back and forth because he knew Super was coming and one of his “forward” inputs coincided with the startup of Chun’s Super
2nd. It must be very hard to tell your opponent is going to chip you with a Super when you have no health. You need to be Einstein to think something like that

I find it funny that people on the forums are still harping on about execution, when guys from the community who have moved on to actually start working on these games (Sirlin, Seth, Keits, etc.) have all emphasized yomi and tried to shrink the execution barrier. As Mike_Z once stated “SF4 got it wrong, combos should be easy, reversals should be hard”.

I find it funny that you think that people who think this don’t think this because there is money involved.

[Tebbo]

wtf is happening in here lmao

at that spot on the screen im p sure daigo could react. when it’s around full screen you can parry it on reaction.
it’s cool to do it at that point though. it’s dramatic. it’s not all that technically skillful, keeping your cool and executing it perfectly however is skillful.

i’m all for execution but more the kind where it’s like hitting something at just the right range/moment. not finger gymnastics.
5 seems ok in this regard so far. maybe it will expand over time.

[drunkards_walk]

It literally makes no sense why anyone would think a chain is a much better show of skill than a link. You just fucking mash the button lol.

It’s kinda strange that he’s saying this while using a Slayer avatar, one of the link based characters in Guilty Gear lol.

Yeah and Slayer’s combos are pretty damn easy for the most part. However, I don’t really see how that is relevant, I play him for his fun playstyle/awesome design, regardless of what his inputs look like. Anyway, the thing is, even a pro player could drop a 1f link, whereas with chains it shows who has put the time in training mode perfecting their combos, because if you mess up a chain you really don’t have anyone to blame but yourself.

[RocketUppercut]

When people subscribe to threads they receive notifications for new posts. By posting 5 times in a row you are effectively spamming their profiles. But you are clearly too big of an asshole to realize that.

Jesus. No wonder OG FGC heads say SRK is soft now.

And you want to call me an asshole when you came at me with disrespect. Lol keyboard warriors at it again.

ANYWAYS, let’s keep this thread on topic. You can pm me if you’re really that bothered. Or if you’re ever in SD, you could come to my gym and we could spar it out. Or if you want to keep crying, I could get you some Enfamil for you to sip on.

Yo who the fuck is this cocknose and why is he trying to be an internet tough guy?

[Mesenkomaha]

I’m still very much hyped. I play as much as I can and research when I can’t play. I’m here for the long haul. Unfortinately most of the people on my friends list have stopped logging on recently. I get it, 3 minutes between ranked matches sucks (especially if you get a ragequitter) and battle lounges are very much hit or miss with lag (no region filter) or general bugginess.

This patch has got to fix these issues.

[Koumori]

Different but it’s grown on me. I still think it’s too streamlined for casuals though. I miss combos that actually took skill and time and practice to learn. I can literally do all of Chun’s highest damaging combos flawlessly and I’ve been in training room only a handful of times. Whereas it took me weeks of practice to learn Guile’s flash kick FADC U2 combo in 4. It’s like the difference between working hard for a week to earn a paycheck, and just being handed money, its nowhere near as satisfying.

[mykka]

• You probably saw that many Ryu players for many reasons. He’s the most popular character in SF. In 4, he was the quintessential beginner character. He was balanced in just about every aspect and subsequently did well in a lot of matchups.
• You didn’t see Rufus or Poison players because those characters are fucking boring, not because their execution was difficult, because their execution really isn’t difficult.

If Rufus and Poison are boring, Ryu is watching paint dry… literally.