Shuma is menacing from a canonical perspective, but in this game he just looks like a hentai monster. Considering you were referencing phoenix being a joke because he looks like a random npc, it’s only fitting I assume you are talking about aesthetics. If you’re saying someone who can turn itno a drill makes them a decent threat than how does a man with a giant chainsaw not become a threat? Also, I guess you shouldn’t have bought mvc2 since servbot was in it. Your logic is just so silly.
I don’t think my logic is silly, my boy.
So you say that if you saw Shuma-Gorath in real life, he wouldn’t scare the shit out of you? Hentai monsters are pretty scary, too. I mean, he can generate this HUGE ass shark jaw to bite the opponents with, he can put you into a magic spell that can make you explode, he can generate spikes from his body, he can suck out the life essence out of things and he can give you a ride through another dimension. On top of that, what is the guy’s job, you may ask? He’s a superhero villain. What about that does NOT say “fighter”?
As for Frank West, I must say that he IS sort of a fighter. In his case, though, I wasn’t discussing his being a fighter or not, like I did with Wright, but how utterly generic and out of place he looks like in a Capcom-style fighting game. Since I assume that this statement won’t be self-explanatory for a man like you, I’ll explain a bit further: Capcom’s fighting games have always had a very distinctive art style, characterized by charismatic and colorful characters with flashy skills and powers. Many of them are downright insane from a design perspective, too, and very very imaginative. Now along comes Frank West, a generic average joe with stupid-looking weapons and a vulgar-looking get-up that makes Ryu look like the pinnacle of interesting character design. He looks very out of place among all these freakshows and superwarriors with spectacular skills. His almost zero personality doesn’t help either.
And like I said, I did despise Servbot in MVC2. But in that game, he felt more like an easter egg to me. You just knew that Capcom only included him because his sprite would be easy to animate and they were feeling too lazy to redraw a new character from scratch. They had to make both sides of the roster even, you know. So, the easy solution was to animate such a tiny character. But once again, he always felt like an easter egg to me. In UMVC3, though, the photographer and the lawyer are fully-produced characters who occupy a central part of the character select screen, and who are plastered all over the official artworks. Like two shit stains on a Picasso.
Yo.
Oh, you mean the green lawyer who can punch down an entire building without breaking a sweat? Oh, yeah, THAT lawyer.
UMvC3 needed Nightcrawler.
That’s all I’d like to contribute to this thread…
Go back to vanilla sometimes just to do Dante’s mugen combos.
wtf am i reading? My Phoenix Wright can beat any of your monster gods. Maybe not in comic land but in the actual game where it matters. Your reasons are ALL ridiculous. And saying capcom putting 2 characters in as fan service is lame is retarded. Out of 50 characters IF those 2 are simply fan service we all should be grateful capcom actually listened to some fans for once, not bitch about it. Besides that, they dont wreck the art style, they fit in better asthetically than Zero and Tron(who are fn cartoon characters!). UMVC3 is just far superior in every way. Spectator mode, my god… Imagine still watching cards hump.
The “photographer” is a dude who fights off hordes of zombies with badass makeshift weapons, and “the lawyer” in UMVC3 while not green, shoots ridiculous projectiles and beams of energy from his finger and can be one of the strongest in the game with giant gavel hypers, a 3rd assist (maya), the most powerful normals and level 3 in the game(when leveled up). They can fight dude.
But to stay on subject with the thread title, no. No one worth a damn is playing vanilla and not ultimate.
I think you would go batshit if you got TvC. UMvC3 wasn’t the first capcom fighting game to have frank.
Hmm, you know, it’s pretty clear that Phoenix Wright was included in this game for the sake of fan service, and as a cheap joke on Capcom’s part. His games have absolutely nothing to do with fighting, nothing at all, and he himself is a wimpy lawyer who isn’t even on the dimension that is next to “being a fighter.” He has absolutely no business being in a fighting game at all. Nothing. Nada. Nihil.
They included him only because they gave in to the demands of stupid fans of his games who don’t give a crap about the integrity of the art style of fighting games. They whored themselves out to do something as stupid as including a lawyer in a fighting game just to boost the sales of the game.
And one thing is pleasing the fans, which I approve of, and another is ruining the art style of the game by including a character that is so out of place that he is a sore eye. What if the fans furiously demanded that Uncle Ben be included in the game? Would his inclusion be “good” simply because the fans were stupid enough to request him? Hell no it wouldn’t, and he would look as retarded and out of place as Phoenix Wright does. Sacrificing the art style of your game to satisfy the whines of morons is something I call “whoring yourself out.” Well, maybe that’s too harsh, but at least it is a humongous display of “bad taste” on Capcom’s part.
And I don’t think Wright and Frank fit in better than Zero or Tron in the game. Zero and Tron are both warriors who have all the traits that are idiosyncratic to fighting game characters. Wright isn’t even a fighter. Frank sort of is a fighter, but he looks terribly out of place, and if you even consider him a “fighting game character design,” he is, hands down, the most generic, uninspired and cheap fighting game character design in history.
And those “beams” that the lawyer shoots are not a canon ability that he has and look utterly stupid and silly, which only stresses the fact that he has no business being in a fighting game. I mean, he supposedly “hurts” his enemies by… sneezing? Throwing paperwork at them? Sending them to court and declaring them guilty? That, my friend, is obviously a cheap joke, and was intended to be nothing else but that. His “giant hypers” are no different.
You know, I think that the whole “rabidly demanding Phoenix Wright for this game” thing may have been a product of the whole “Internet humour” thing. I guess he’s suposed to be “epic” because he looks completely stupid in a game like this… Well, who knows.
I own TVC and I played it extensively before MVC3 was released. And yes, I also despised Frank’s inclusion in that game, and felt he wrecked the art style in the series.
You can put anyone in a fighting game as long as you can come up with a moveset. Full house tournament fighter as a half assed example… If youre talkining ART style and not canonically PW does fit better than the cartoony Zero. Sprite wise and art wise. Really tho you should care more about how they play IN GAME rather than what thier backstory is in a fighter. What if the next PW game they have him going to jail for tampering with evidence and he gets all buff n learns to fight, would you come back to this game and say you like him now, it all makes sense. Enjoy marvel for what it is-ridiculous, over the top fun.
Besides, maybe if you played him youd like him. I dont get not going for the game when theres 11 new “warriors” because the one guy you dont like. You can get it for like 25 bucks now. 20 if you trade vanilla.
If a band puts out a double album where you like every song except the ballad on disc 2 are you gonna say the art style of the album is ruined and the other 39 songs arent as good as they wouldve been if the ballad wasnt there? One thing has no bearing on the other. The inclusion of PW doesnt make Umvc3 Dante less of a character, does it?
Ah, I know, but you see, like I’ve said before in this topic, I don’t care one bit about gameplay. 
I’ve always played the Versus series for its art style and, you could say, its “cool factor.” Yes, you can mechanically put any character you want in a fighting game, but that doesn’t mean that the character would “fit in” or “feel at home.”
And I don’t think Wright fits this game better than Zero. I see what you mean, Zero is drawn in an anime-ish style, but that’s not what I’ve been discussing here. Sure, there are plenty of characters with an “odd” style, like Tron, Arthur and Viewtiful Joe, but I don’t mind them because they are FIGHTERS. And what I’ve been discussing here is the “fighting game art style.” I can accept a few odball characters, btu what I won’t accept is a character who doesn’t belong in this game and was included just for the sake of a cheap joke. To put it in other, more simple, words: Phoenix Wright sort of “kills the mood” for me. Every time I see him blowing up a wall with his finger in the game’s stylized and epic trailer, I facepalm. He just kills the mood.
And yes, if somehow Wright had a car accident and they turned him into, say, a cyborg ninja, I would definitely accept him in the game. Only if he was the cyborg ninja in the game, and not a lawyer who hurts people with speech bubbles. Although he would still feel pretty silly, because this man ain’t no tough guy, and he would look goofy even as a cyborg.
And Marvel has never been “ridiculous” to me. “Over-the-top,” yes, but never ridiculous. What it has always been to me, is the most epic crossover in the market, oozing style, cool factor and artistic avant-gardism. The Versus series is easily the most seriously kickass fighting game series out there.
No, I wouldn’t. I didn’t get the game because he is here, that should tell you how strongly I feel about this matter. Especially since I don’t care one bit about how characters play, but about what artistic merit they bring into the game. You’re speaking to a man who exclusively plays his favourite characters, regardless of tier positionings.
And as for your analogy, yes, a single song can ruin an album. Consider this: a band puts out an album which is filled with absolutely brilliant and state-of-the-art songs, but one of the songs in the album is just the band recording themselves while farting and making stupid noises in the studio. Not only that, in one of the other songs, they threw in vomit sounds on top of one of their compositions. I would say that the experience would overall feel “dumbed.” The whole album, upon hearing, would feel stupider. It would sort of ruin the experience.
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The thing that people forget is that Phoenix Wright is not just some generic lawyer. He’s the main character from a (very good) story and character driven adventure series. Therefore, I believe that he deserves his slot just as much as any other beloved character would.
Also, if you don’t care about gameplay, why the fuck are you even on SRK?
To discuss fighting games with dedicated fighting game fans, of course.
For the record, I never said that Wright’s games are “bad” or anything like that. Just like I never said Frank’s games are bad at all. Wright’s games actually look very good and interesting, and he himself looks like a great fit for the main character of his series. It’s not that his games are bad, or that he is an overall “bad quality” design, but that he is NOT a fighting game character and does NOT belong in a fighting game, however good his origin games are. And I don’t agree with the whole “giving a series a rep in a fighting game just because the series happens to be famous.” He is just OUT OF PLACE in a fighting game. I mean, if you’re putting a lawyer and a photographer in a fighting game, what’s next? A cook? A mailman? A cab driver? That concept in itself is idiotic.
Instead of making him “cool,” his inclusion in a fighting game only made him into a goofball.
i know there’s no point in responding, but it’s worth pointing out that Wright isn’t fighting against his opponents. for him, every match is a court room showdown, and his playstyle reflects that. He’s not using evidence to injure his opponent, just to poke holes in their cases. when you look at it that way, everything about him makes a whole lot more sense.
plus, it’s a cool touch on Capcom’s part, making him play like his own series even in the context of a fighting game.
Truthful statement. Out any of the cast that Capcom chose to be in this game Wright makes one of the most, if not the most, sense. He’s popular in America and Japan. His playstyle is unique and he’ll bring in the money for Capcom. Now if they with the other bulk of unwanted character for their selection.
Yeah, I got that about his concept. It’s still fucking stupid.
Although I agree, it’s great on Capcom’s part to be faithful to the character’s design.
you’re certainly free to feel that way about it. I’m very happy with the end product, and very very glad that Capcom listened to the fans and put him into the game. Maybe the next time they put him in a fighting game they’ll get him right like they did with Frank.
Right.