Anonymous Hacks Sony

General Discussion
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DRM is some fucking BULLSHIT, and is why my last 4 T.V.s were Pannys or Magnavoxes.

But dropping the keys to PS3 piracy onto the net, for every maladjusted prick on the interwebs, is just downright fucktarded, and deserving of legal repercussions.

We don’t have otherOS anymore? Whose fault is that? Oh yeah, right… the very same prick who, after hacking the otherOS feature, decided that Sony’s defending their intellectual property rights by removing otherOS, goes and hacks the system even further, infringing upon not only the PS3 hardware, but the software that Sony designed to run it.

Basically: I was wrong, now YOU’RE wrong, so Imma be MORE wrong, because you fought back when I was first wrong.

Seriously - GeoTwat is acting like a fucking schoolyard jock bully (ironically), getting butt-hurt when the guy he bullied fought back and whooped him, and so he goes and gets his teammates together to handle the guy who pulled a 1-frame reversal on his ass, and floored him for his trespassing.

All that’s going to come out of this, is Sony is going to look like a goddamned martyr, to the overwhelming majority of consumers (re: idiots).

That isn’t going to bode well for any of us, because, be it Sony, MS, Apple, et al, they have shown, repeatedly, that if you give them an inch, they’ll sue you for miles, using that inch as “proof” of entitlement.

As I see it.

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Well, I’d counter that with two things. The first would be that the bully analogy is disingenuous at best, and pretty fucking stupid at worst because geohott is just some guy. Sony is a GIANT corporation that has the money to demolish him with legal fees alone that they can turn around and write off.

The second would be that the damage that geohot’s hack has caused would have to be quantified. Now, we all know that the industry pretty much blames EVERYTHING on piracy. I have no doubt the answer Sony, or any company in it’s place, would not be the truth. The answer would be an overinflated number that is too stupid to acknowledge. Let’s not forget people like the RIAA have tried to sue people into bankruptcy. Remember those 130,000 dollar a song lawsuits? Yeah. Sony will do the SAME THING.

There’s a certain level that’s passed in the corporate world where everything boils down to money and the higher ups at Sony are about 15 levels above that. I have no doubt that they’d lie about anything if it would make them look great to their shareholders and send this kid to jail for life.

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The issue is not so much that it will be used for piracy but that people just want access to their machines and are being told what they can and cannot do with their property. Modding the hardware and software is no different than adding things to or removing them from a car to improve functionality. It is pretty funny that Sony, Apple and Microsoft want to switch the relationship between the consumer and the product they buy to one where it is a lease that they can use to infringe on the private use you have of their product. The number of people making use of its functionality is small, so in the long run the number of people possibly pirating a video game is not going to be the same as the number of people who are pirating other things. It is significantly easier to pirate a movie than a game; the latter takes significantly more work to get started.

Putting aside the piracy argument which gets thrown around entirely too much. A lot of the people who hack their system just want more functionality out of their product. Some of the phones have been rooted to remove some of the additional nonsense that gets put into them as well as increase their performance for the better. Plenty of people who go through the trouble of breaking shit do it because they want more control over the product the spent a lot of money on.

Not only that but many hackers do stuff like this purely as an intellectual pursuit. I remember years ago there was a group that focused on hacking shit just to have it run the original doom. Few people remember this but one of the early iPod hacks was so that it would play doom. At this point nobody is bullying anybody; there are no laws governing what you can and cannot do to your private property (as far as I know; this excluding firearms law) so why should there be any legal repercussion to the guy who went around uncovering this shit. The bad is on Sony, not on Geohot.

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Random double post; elebits.

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And if you chose to add stuff that enables you to steal other’s work it’s your damn right!

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From what I remember the situations where it is not enforceable is limited to situations where an individual attempts to avoid a duty they owe a customer. Eg. ‘‘You’re accepting that we are not liable for any injury you receive as a result of our negligence’’.

If you enter a contract stating that you will not modify the product you should be expected to follow that. If you buy a home stating the exterior can only be painted white you would have to fulfil that obligation. What irks me ( that is along the lines of yours and many other’s complaints) is Sony preventing people from playing newer games in an attempt to force people to sign to their new agreements and take steps that limit what their console can do. That to me should make the new contracts voidable.

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What the fuck? I have printer/copy machine at home, a CD/DVD burner and a VCR. I can steal more shit than I can count and I am not doing it. Having the ability to do something does not mean that you are going to do it Like I said in the post, in addition to those that just want to pirate shit are others who just want more control over their system.

People add shit to cars constantly that allows them to break the speed limits in amazing ways. Some of them are illegal, a lot of them are not; go give them some shit.

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Which is kind of why I think the kid should have left it alone.

Or do you really think that the courts are going to find in his favor?

The courts are every bit as corrupt and bought as the Executiveand Legislative branches are.

All that’s going to come of this is a crackdown on all consumers’ rights.

I think there needs to be major change - anyone with a brain ought to.

But I see a very complacent majority who won’t complain until the shackles are too firmly on them for there to any chance of escape.

The big businesses rule this world (jointly with the bankers/investors/other criminals (ethically speaking, given that they get the laws written for them).

Or do you really see this kid changing the world-order?

As I see it.

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Looking at the hacker scene, and seeing that most of the attempted hack fronts are to install CFW over the 3.60 update and/or spoofing modded consoles so they can connect to PSN, yeah, they have no sympathy from me.

You can do what you want with your console, but you shouldn’t get to use PSN. This is just pirates raging that Sony wont let them steal games AND use PSN at the same time. Reinstall Linux my ass.

EDIT: In the end, it boils down to “You can install Linux and CFW all you want, but when you compromise security measures to do whatever you want with your box, publishers, developers, and console companies have NO obligation to cater to you anymore.”

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This, too.

@RC:

I know that the bully analogy is ridiculous. But the laypeople are going to look at it otherwise. Which is what I was saying.

I support neither extreme - neither the hackers looking to exploit and run rough-shod over PSN and everyone else’s desire to play games legitimately, nor the corporation demanding carte blanche over their own consumers’ rights.

As I see it.

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And yes, there are Linux OtherOS installs available to CFW, but how many people do you think actually DID reinstall Linux when given the oppurtunity? My guess is less than 4 digits.

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Cater? In what regard?

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I’m not saying you are.

Maybe Anonymous should go hack police stations next. How dare they prevent you from turning your car into impending doom. You payed for it.

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Way to miss the point, Cuz.

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Why should Sony let pirates on PSN? Why should publishers let pirates use their servers?

Sony made the homebrew scene go underground, where it belonged in the first place. I didn’t disagree with what overFlowfail was doing. They were going to make a way to reinstall Linux on newer systems without opening the PS3 to piracy. GeoHot got jelly, stole their work, posted the master key, took all credit, all while not caring that his actions indirectly caused piracy.

Sony didn’t force anyone to update to remove OtherOS. They said so in the notes for the FW that removed it. If you wanted to keep Linux, you didn’t have to upgrade. GeoHot almost comprised OtherOS by almost allowing unsigned code. Sony made the choice. If you had Linux, you had the choice to keep it.

Even when Sony found out that you were pirating, they sent out an email to you giving you a 2nd chance. Remove your pirated software, reinstall OFW, and we’ll pretend this never happed. Otherwise, get banned from PSN.

Most companies would have outright banned you, then went after you.

I just find it hard to side with pirates and Anon. You can install whatever you want on your PS3 now. Sony can’t and won’t stop you. But they won’t let you use PSN. That’s what it’s about. Entitled children crying that they got banned from the internet cafe for stealing the owner’s computer.

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BoS makes a very compelling, rationally sound argument, Ronin.

As I see it.

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What point? Damn the man, save the empire?

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Except that the PS3 was marketed as a “Computer Entertainment System” rather than a game console - the “computer” distinction matters. Sony got out of a very large number of taxes and fees in Europe with it, and there exist an equally large number of people whose decisions to purchase a PS3 over a 360 were influenced by OtherOS support.

Also, thread title is deceiving. DDoS is not hacking, it’s DDoS. It doesn’t involve cracking anything, just overloading servers with requests. Also illegal, sure, but it’s the difference between picking a house’s lock and standing at the door like a door to door salesperson, blocking others entry.

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That’s a strawman argument since nobody here has said “Fuck Sony, the hackers should be able to use PSN.” I even stated

You’re the one that brought up PSN and people feeling like they’re entitled to it. Not me, or anybody else. So who are you arguing with? And why?

To be extra clear, this is why I asked you what you meant when you said cater. No one in this thread has stated, or even mentioned, that the hackers should still retain the ability to use PSN.

Also, you can parade around the idea that it was a “choice” that Sony offered consumers, but that really ISN’T a choice. You completely glossed over the fact that not updating it would render the system incapable of playing new release games that REQUIRE you to update your firmware. Sony essentially said “Disable some shit in the system that we sold to you, or you can’t play any new games” and even you can’t deny that really isn’t a choice. The only “choice” involved in the matter revolves around leaving your ps3 on old firmware, and then choosing to go buy another one if you want to play a new game, or update your system and lose the functionality and let Sony abuse their position. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Not hackers using PSN. How is that not abundantly clear by this point?

And I agree with you when you say they shouldn’t expect PSN to work for them. Completely agree, but that wasn’t what we were talking about.

An argument for what? Nobody was even saying hackers should be entitled to use PSN. He came in here and said that the latest developments had the hackers trying to spoof console information to get on PSN. The only person talking about hackers feeling they are entitled to PSN was HIM.

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I’m pretty sure that even yea ole 8-bit NES was marketed as a “computer entertainment center”.

Jock straps are marketed as athletic supporters. Does this mean you are entitled to hang the quarterback with one?

As I see it.

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