Anime & Manga Thread v.4 FAQ/IRC: See OP. Thread over. Move onto v.5

[zenzen]

Ha ha i forgot about this till just a few minutes ago. Also Heartcatch Precure came out last year. Take it out, stop trying to cheat. Its Suite Precure this year, which has sucked.

fuck you kenu and stop pointing out the obvious
i was kinda hoping that because it aired for a few eps in 2011 that it would count!

Best Male Character: Kotetsu T. Kaburagi (TIger and Bunny)
Best Female Character: Homura Akemi (Meduka)
Best Action Series: none, they all suck
Best Comedy: Gintama’
Best Drama: Madoka
Best Ecchi: who the fuck watches ecchi shows
Best Theme: Kuso Mesorogiwi (Mirai Nikki OP)
Best Movie: REDLINE
Worst Character: Riddhe Marcenas (Gundam Unicorn)
Worst Series: Gundam AGE
Best Troll: Blood-C
Most Underrated: didn’t watch any of these shows
Best Series: Madoka

[Spirit_Juice]

So the last episode of Guilty Crown isn’t supposed to air until Jan 19th. What the fuck?

Guess I’ll do the whole 2011 nominations stuff later. Still got time until New Year’s.

[specs]

if you’re watching FMA then I’ll say it’s not worth the watch. If you’re watching FMA BH then I’ll say it’s a great show to watch.

I give the opposite recommendation on account of BH containing 96% worthless, grating dialogue and the 2003 series being actually thoughtful and well-made.

[Ken34]

So the last episode of Guilty Crown isn’t supposed to air until Jan 19th. What the fuck?

Guess I’ll do the whole 2011 nominations stuff later. Still got time until New Year’s.

last episode? isnt there going to be 22 episodes??

I give the opposite recommendation on account of BH containing 96% worthless, grating dialogue and the 2003 series being actually thoughtful and well-made.

huh? this is a first…

[Spirit_Juice]

last episode? isnt there going to be 22 episodes??

ANN lists 12 episodes.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=13001

[DaFeetLee]

Pretty sure it’s going to be 22 episodes. It’d be super sad if it was only 12

[Radiantsilvergun3]

last episode? isnt there going to be 22 episodes??

huh? this is a first…

Actually it’s not as he want over it a couple months ago back when he was watching it.

I still say it’s a pacing issue.

[Gasaraki]

ANN lists 12 episodes.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=13001

MAL lists 22 though http://myanimelist.net/anime/10793/Guilty_Crown

[Spirit_Juice]

Guess we’ll find out eventually. It would be better if the show ended on the 12th episode, actually, given how big of a cluster fuck it has been.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

I give the opposite recommendation on account of BH containing 96% worthless, grating dialogue and the 2003 series being actually thoughtful and well-made.

LoL silly specs BH actually follows the manga whereas as FMA goes on some shitty tangent and complete turns to shit around midway through. There’s absolutely nothing thought out about the first FMA as soon as they decided to stop following the manga.

[Spirit_Juice]

LoL silly specs BH actually follows the manga whereas as FMA goes on some shitty tangent and complete turns to shit around midway through. There’s absolutely nothing thought out about the first FMA as soon as they decided to stop following the manga.

You missed the very long post from specs about how awful and poorly written the dialogue is in BH.

[specs]

Finished 2.22. I LOVE this Shinji over the original. The way this one acts makes waaaaaaaaaaay more sense over the OOC-ness that was “OG” Shinji.

Though I suspect it’s going to be a weird Groundhog Day timeline thing, where the original series and the various comics were Shinji reliving events to try and “get things right.”

Mari’s kinda crazy.

Eva is still ho-hum but this sucks significantly less. I approve. Hate that J-pop-ness playing through the big scenes though.

Actually it’s not as he want over it a couple months ago back when he was watching it.

I still say it’s a pacing issue.

I agree. It has less to do with how the plot went and more in execution. BH could have been strong with much more elegant, refined writing, and the 2003 series could have been week by doing what BH did. I’ve no issue with either “timeline” as it were.

LoL silly specs BH actually follows the manga whereas as FMA goes on some shitty tangent and complete turns to shit around midway through. There’s absolutely nothing thought out about the first FMA as soon as they decided to stop following the manga.

LoL silly specs BH actually follows the manga whereas as FMA goes on some shitty tangent and complete turns to shit around midway through. There’s absolutely nothing thought out about the first FMA as soon as they decided to stop following the manga.

Irrelevant, irrelevant and wrong, wrong, and irrelevant, in that order.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

You missed the very long post from specs about how awful and poorly written the dialogue is in BH.

I did miss it and that’s fine I think I’m glad I missed it. Anyone that tries to justify FMA > FMA BH isn’t worth listening too.

@specs how is it irrelevant that the anime doesn’t follow the manga ? So we make an anime based on an manga artist’s work and decide to take it in a totally shitty direction? And plz don’t let me get started on that piece of shit movie they made.

[angelpalm]

Isn’t BH damn near panel for panel, line for line the same as the manga?

Well maybe not if you’re one of those idiots that likes to torture themselves with shitty rewritten dub dialoge and play crap games like Kingdom Hearts?

So what puts the original above BH? And should I take seriously the opinion of someone who talks shit about Chronotrigger?

[Radiantsilvergun3]

The story following the Manga to the letter has little to do with weather or not the story is good in the first place. It going in a different direction from the Manga is, over all, irrelevant to the quality of the story of the Anime , weather it followed the Manga or not.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

The story following the Manga to the letter has little to do with weather or not the story is good in the first place. It going in a different direction from the Manga is, over all, irrelevant to the quality of the story of the Anime , weather it followed the Manga or not.

If the story for the first FMA was so great then what’s the need for the remake ? Yeah there are some poorly written manga’s out there FMA wasn’t one of them. That is of course if when you read/watch animes and manga you actually pay attention to what’s going on with the story and aren’t just looking for the next fight. But everything is subjective and everyone has their own opinions on things however, when an anime takes such a diversion from the manga it ends poorly as it did with the first FMA. Thus the need for the remake and this time them following the manga. Manga’s don’t run as long as FMA did without being good whether or not it suits your taste is a different matter though.

[angelpalm]

So FMA manga is shit and poorly written. Check.

Moving right along.

Lets talk about how the awesome Kyoukai Senjou no Horizonis getting another season of INCREDIBLE and COMPLEX story that is so good you will rub your dick off to it.

[Radiantsilvergun3]

If the story for the first FMA was so great then what’s the need for the remake ? Yeah there are some poorly written manga’s out there FMA wasn’t one of them. That is of course if when you read/watch animes and manga you actually pay attention to what’s going on with the story and aren’t just looking for the next fight. But everything is subjective and everyone has their own opinions on things however, when an anime takes such a diversion from the manga it ends poorly as it did with the first FMA. Thus the need for the remake and this time them following the manga. Manga’s don’t run as long as FMA did without being good whether or not it suits your taste is a different matter though.

That all still has fuck all to do with the quality of the story of the first FMA Anime. The first FMA Anime has some bad story shit in it because it’s bad story shit, not because it’s different from what happend in the Manga. It’s just bad.

With that said, I cans see how taking a monthy Manga and turning it into a weekly show can fuck up the pacing, especially in the dialogue department making it hard for a screen writer to like repetitive conversations being crammed so close together. It’s also bad.

[JGreen]

Envy

[details=Spoiler]The episode where Envy was finally killed:

Roy and Envy have a bunch of dialogue where Roy’s trying to get Envy to confess, and spend like a third of the episode on this one convo. Here’s what needed to happen: Roy makes his accusation, Envy dances around it, Roy says something to get under Envy’s skin, moment of tension, Envy confesses maniacally. BAM, done. Here’s what actually happened: Envy waxes poetic about his thoughts on humans for like 73 lines (slight exaggeration only), Roy calls him stupid a whole bunch more times, they FINALLY get to the point, and I’m wondering why this didn’t happen 10 mins ago. Or 30 episodes ago. It’s inelegant, and it’s time wastingly boring; I already know the motivations, so get on with it. All this useless exposition does is pad the show.

Devil’s advocate time: maybe someone told Bones to pad the show, to increase the episode count. /shrug

Big irony: that very same episode, Roy shuts up some overlong lines by burning the shit out of Envy. Appreciated from both a “holy shit he’s burning the shit out of a homunculus again” standpoint AND a “holy shit he’s doing to the show what I wish I could” perspective.

Later, Envy’s beat, and in his vagina mouth slug form, he witnesses the warring humans banding together, gets pitied, then emotionally self-destructs and kills himself. That last sentence is all the checkpoints; all you need is the occasional dramatic pause to let it sink in, and bam. But HOLY FUCK they could not have dragged this on longer. First Envy tries to get everyone to fight again… for like 3 HOURS (slight exaggeration), then spends another 3 getting lectured, then another 3 crying out “OMG I was figured out by lowly humans” before FINALLY ending both his misery and mine.[/details]

I think you’re dead on about an adaptation being the issue: I think the same thing about, say, the Harry Potter flicks. I never read the books, but it felt like the films were trying to be “books in film format” (if that makes sense), shoehorning in as much as humanly possible with no regard for cinematic form. And when I say “cinematic form” I don’t mean artsy nonsense films: the original Die Hard introduces all its players very quickly and fluidly, and doesn’t linger on anything dat ain’t need lingerin’, and it’s just an action flick.

Lost train of thought. Must eat breakfast.

I thought Specs was dead on here about FMA BH’s problems.

Also, just because FMA 2003 deviated from the manga doesn’t mean it must be bad. The remake was probably made to have an anime that followed the entirety of the manga. When FMA 2003 was released, the manga wasn’t finished, so they had to change the ending.

[Monkey_D.Malcolm]

That all still has fuck all to do with the quality of the story of the first FMA Anime. The first FMA Anime has some bad story shit in it because it’s bad story shit, not because it’s different from what happend in the Manga. It’s just bad.

With that said, I cans see how taking a monthy Manga and turning it into a weekly show can fuck up the pacing, especially in the dialogue department making it hard for a screen writer to like repetitive conversations being crammed so close together. It’s also bad.

If the story for the first FMA would of followed the manga closer it would of been fine. Instead it decided to spiral into a festering ball of shit. Most animes become bad when they deviate from the manga. It’s like reading X-men Comic watching X-men on TV and then watching the X-men movies. If you’re going to use an artist work don’t deviate from it because you simply take the story that the original artist made and turn it into shit.