False dichotomy. Good story/online matchmaking/etc. and good gameplay are not mutually exclusive.
You truly expect a good story in a fighting game? I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, a story is not required to make a good fighting/arcade game. The original Metal Slug is one of the finest arcade games ever made and is still amazing to this day. Yet despite all it’s amazing game play, it has zero story. Regardless, this doesn’t change how the game plays.
Story is a bonus, not a requirement.
I’m with you. Capcom has made some mistakes and didn’t come through in every area they promised. I also see where they have brought Street Fighter IV from where it started. Originally the game was very bare bones, but over the months and years they have improved and added to the game turning it into what it is today. They will do the same with MvC3.
I’m just glad to see fighting games flourishing in 2011. Maybe that’s why I don’t get bogged down in the small details.
No, I don’t expect a good story in a fighting game. I do expect a decent story when they advertise as much. That’s my concern.
I’m just concerned that this very 90sish approach to things is going to be bad for the genre in the long run, at least for Capcom. I’d rather have FGs stick around than have a repeat of the last boom, and that basically, what was acceptable for a full game back then might not be now. This isn’t about mindlessly hating on MvC3, although I know some people in this thread probably enjoy that sort of thing.
I’d say repeating what happened in the 90’s wouldn’t be such a bad thing. I haven’t seen this many casual/new players get into the game since the original Street Fighter II was released in 1992.
A good game is a good game. Whether it be 1992 or 2011. I’m not sure where this idea of “It’s gotta be bigger, better, more amazing than any game to every preceded it” came from. I still play Contra on the NES to this day. The game came out on 1988, but it’s an absolutely amazing game to this day.
In 2008, Nintendo released a complete game with a good amount of modes as well as a large roster. They did not have to patch it, it had the story that was promised, it was a full game. The networking on the Wii was an issue, but that’s because the Wii was never built with online play truly in mind. 3 years later, Capcom released a game, that, in the core game play, could be better than Brawl, but in terms of the complete game package, it is not a complete game as Brawl was. I’m not saying Brawl was perfect, but to say that we need to give up gameplay for a decent story is false, and has been false for more than 3 years, since Brawl was not the first to incorporate a decent story mode.
Brawl had a decent story? I’m all for admitting the faults of Capcom, but to try and tout Brawl’s story as “decent” is laughable.
But you do inadvertently make a good point. Brawl had terrible online with no true friends list or way of getting into a party. Yet you still see it as a good game. Maybe you should use some of that same logic on MvC3 and see what you come up with.
Brawl’s story existed, which is a hell of alot more than you can say for MvC3. It may not have been great, but it was decent. Notice, I said decent, never said good. They are 2 different words.
Also, you admit Capcom’s faults? Wow, then what the hell have you been saying this whole time?
“As far as the story component, this complaint is a bit flimsy”
“The online modes are bare bones, I will agree with him there. Though he forgets Street Fighter IV started out very much like that.”
“The character roster point is moot in my opinion.”
"As far as faulting the game for not including basic training in a game, there is the instruction manual, and a vast array of online tools that allow you to learn how to properly play the game (shoryuken.com namely). "
Literally one negative thing you said in your first full post, and you go on to defend Capcom anyway, because they made the same mistake twice. Tell me when you’re going to admit the faults of Capcom, just saying “Capcom made some mistakes” doesn’t cut it when, for 9 pages, you’ve been defending the game tooth and nail.
So you’re not demanding excellence just mediocrity? You’re really splitting hairs here. If the difference between a poor story and a mediocre story is the deciding factor on whether you buy a fighting game, I’d suggest you look into other genres.
I have more than commented on what Capcom did wrong in this thread, more than you have quoted. Defending the game tooth and nail? Hardly. Thing is Capcom did a lot of things right as well. Something I have to keep reminding a few select members on this forums in the midst of their tears and anguish. So you’ll forgive me if I don’t join in the collective Capcom gang bang. I think we’ve got that more than covered.
You know what? I just read through your posts over the last 9 pages. All of your posts, and I did not find anything else that you said in terms of anything negative about this game. In fact, most of it was self-promoting, self-indulgent bullshit. Half the time you concentrate on the smallest remark in a person’s post, the other half the time you just talk about how you’re awesome and no one else can be. I especially like when you blame any lag that a person may experience on an old internet connection, because we all know that if you have the newest internet connections you never get lag. When it comes down to it, you’re just a whiny little self-important bastard who wanted to put up this video to have everyone agree with you when you said it was a poorly done review, and when people agreed, you started to complain and claim other people were being obtuse. Even the tags are self indulgent. I seriously think you have some ego issues to work out.
As to my preferences in games, the last fighting game I bought was 3 years ago, and I probably won’t get another one for at least another 3 years unless they finally come through and make a DC Universe vs anyone but Mortal Kombat, since I think DC is better than Marvel, but Mortal Kombat is terrible since it was fully spawned on the fact that people wanted to see excessive amounts of gore, and, as an adult, I don’t want that.
Finally, I have stated before, this game has no story. What they claim is a story, is actually a premise for the game. Hell, the story in the original Donkey Kong was more fleshed out than in this game. So, I’m not demanding excellence or mediocrity, I’m demanding existence.
Thank you, don’t bother replying, since I don’t give a shit what you have to say back to me.
Lazy and not too perceptive are you? I’ll throw you a bone sweetheart. Here’s just one of the things I said bad about Capcom that you neither mentioned nor saw (funny enough it can be found on this very same page).
“I’m with you. Capcom has made some mistakes and didn’t come through in every area they promised.”
I’d go through and find all the rest of my comments, but what would be the fun in that? Plus you gotta do some of the work yourself. Ya know, feel like you earned it and such.
I talk about how awesome I am? You’re delusional and full of it. Congrats, that’s quite a combo.
I have no problem with people having an opinion. I just come back with my own. Seems you’re the one getting a little butt hurt with all the abusive names and comments you’re throwing my way. Calm down internet tough guy. It’ll be alright.
There is a short comic book like story at the end of the game for each character. If it’s not good enough for you, sorry champ. Get over it.
Good. Maybe you’ll shut the hell up and quit you’re bitching. It’s doubtful, but a guy can hope can’t he?
The reviewer is right about the content, dumb ui quirks, online play & the games lack of teaching newcomers to the basics of the game. Not that I give a fuck about most of those stuff myself but others do. Shit like this makes the fighting game genre look bad and not worth the 60 dollars to newcomers of the genre. This isn’t the fucking 90’s and I don’t know why people would defend or be some kind of apologist like the retard above typing essays away.