American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

Addiction is the result of poverty.

Treat the poverty, and the addiction trickles down to the ennui of the assholes who created the situation in the first place.

Mexico need to fix its shit. Yes I blame the country for failing to help its own people that want to leave. By proxy I also blame the US for enabling their country to fall apart. Close the borders and screen everyone and help make sure if people want to get in it’s just as fair as any other race.

They (Democrats and those that prosper from this situation) favor open borders because those poor latin countries will suck on the teat of the government thus will promote a larger wellfare state which comes out of the pockets of honest US people. This will keep the cycle going and its not fair to those here who came in honestly.

My family came in fair from Mexico. My GF’s family came in fair from Thailand. So can everyone else regardless of race.

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The situation in Central and South America is partly because of the US sticking its grubby fingers in the pie in those areas for decades because of the war on drugs and the red scare. I wouldn’t put all the blame on the US, but maybe those countries would’ve been better off isolated from the US if we didn’t get involved.

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But see rehab and drug policies are a cash grab

Trump makes money off the private prisons

The drug policies and stricter immigration laws are to fund private prisons.
Wake up

People aren’t leaving Mexico en masse though

The jobs in manufacturing are in Mexico

Mexico has strict but doable immigration

Most of the migrants come from countries like el Salvador where people are running from tyrants and gangs

But even disregarding those

Trump is proposing rejecting any and all immigrants from non-white majorities

Wow you are dumb

Like really dumb

Your girlfriend and your parents probably had money to actually make it

But we are seeing Vietnamese, Cambodian, filipino, Tibetan, Chinese, Koreans get deported due to shitty paperwork and horrible standards that need to change

They are targeting minority illegals way more than whites

It is some bullshit

I don’t trust that republicans have any interests at heart besides the rich

Fuck didn’t you Disney workers protest for higher wages? Now thanks to the supreme court and the gop you won’t get shit

But then you believe in false flags and conspiracy theories so

Not arguing with you because you don’t listen anyway. Fuck you by the way. Much of what you say is insults and you’re making assumptions you know nothing about.

Also fuck you.

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White people from Europe or Scandinavia don’t want to come to the US, they have it good where they are. So of course Immigration is targeting brown people from shitty places, they’re the only ones coming here.

How is it ass backward? Seeking asylum has a specific process and comes with a list of requirements. Sounds like recently a lot of these illegals being caught then invoke asylum to buy time.

According to government metrics, there were 464 people granted asylum from mexico. Pew research says there are 500 million illegal immigrants living in country. So highly doubtful all these families being separated are refugees escaping persecution, seems more like they are claiming asylum only after being caught to buy time and get legal help. Again, not fair to everyone else who wants to enter the united states to better their lives but can’t

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ogod i agree with doctamario. yes address the root cause. stop illegal immigration.

  1. legalize drugs - the high price of drugs is due to the illegal nature. the high risk causes high price. make it legal, now corporations can swoop in, and with their economies of scale eliminate the drug lords with no blood shed. with drug lords gone, this will go a long way toward making south american countries not shitholes
  2. once druglords are eliminated via capitalism, USA aid won’t be wasted on these countries. cause right now these countries are very high on corruption index, so any aid will likely fall into wrong hands
  3. throw business owners who employ illegal immigrants in jail
  4. DO NOT WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY ON A WALL - WALLS DONT WORK AND IT IS A BANDAID FIX

btw asian whores who only date ugly white guys are white supremacists

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on another topic, on fb one of my left wing friends posted something along the lines of the union ruling by the supreme court to be the worst anti union ruling ever. curious i googled it

so apparently, people who don’t want to be part of a union don’t have to pay fees. this seems pretty sensible to me. my dad, who came from shithole communist china (this was pre-capitalism prosperity), was shocked when he found out he had to pay union dues at boeing as a software developer. he said something along the lines of: “i thought usa was anti communism???”. my wife who is also from communist china and who still has her communist party membership card from when she was a student, was also pissed that she had to pay union dues at university of washington even though she was already making minimum wage as an RA and the union was doing bullcrap like diversity sensitivity training.

if unions are useful, people will want to pay the dues and be a member. if unions are stupid, then nobody will want to be a part of it and good riddance. the ruling is only anti union if nobody wants to be part of the damn unions, and i’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be a part of the damn unions. except maybe my high school biology teacher, who could not be fired for incompetence despite numerous parent petitions.

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I love paying my union dues. All they do is try to make sure we get the best bang for our buck during bargaining agreements. Can’t hate on that.

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Old article: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/whats-name-migrant-vs-refugee-vs-illegal-immigrant

500 million illegal immigrants living in country? Huh? Isn’t that more than the actual population? Think I want your sources on that angle. Counterpoint from Pew:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/03/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

Given that they recently changed the rules on what constitutes grounds for asylum, I think you’re wrong. Got a source to provide insight here?

Did you read the Three Body Problem? There’s a long-term plan on the part of one party to lull the other party into complacency, and then once their guard is down the plan is to fuck the other party slowly to death. Business vs unions. Unions exist to make themselves unnecessary, but that doesn’t make them any less vital of a defense of the working class in a rabidly capitalist society.

I get that everybody has forgotten why unions exist because things were generally good, and now they’re still mostly kinda good, but read your fucking history. Corporations exist to extract profit, not to treat you right.

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Sorry preppy, i am bad at math and I fucked up there. i meant 5 million

11 million / 2 != 500 million, its ~ 5 million. i was off by orders of magnitude. still from the pdf i linked from DHS, the # of actual asylum granted to mexico is still only in the hundreds. From el salvador the number is greater. I would be ok with increasing that number because el salvador is fucked up, and usa/cia is responsible for it.

You read the 3 party problem??? no spoilers please, i only read book 1 of the trilogy. i love it. the cultural revolution parts of the book hit home hard, because my grandfather was a professor during that time and he got fucked hard by the communist thugs

if unions are good, then people will voluntarily pay their union dues. if people don’t want to be a member they shouldn’t be forced to be. in countries with awful working conditions that the usa is outsourcing to, absolutely there should be labor unions to prevent sweat shops. or better yet just go after the companies that outsource manufacturing to those countries. some jobs such as construction workers where there is risk of injury would make sense to have unions protect the workers. but teacher union? nah fuck that noise. or those police unions that happily protect trigger happy cops that shoot up unarmed black people? NOPE.

yeah i get that capitalism is bad. most corporations only care about short term profit and pleasing shareholders, which leads to a corporate plutocracy where the corporations rig the game in their favor by currying favor from politicians like hilary. i agree with a lot of criticisms that noam chomsky brings up. but what’s insane to me is that many people on the left think the solution is communism, the worst system of all time. not democratic socialism, actual communism. as in i’ve met people in seattle who were actual marxists. wow just wow. white communists is the most egregious example of white privilege i can think of. minorities suffer from karl marx stupidity, while oblivious whites keep trying to make communism a thing.

That’s not how any of this works. You think “well I have a good enough deal thanks to previous efforts” and then you bow out and the slow downward pressure begins.

Vilifying unions ignores the fact that there’s usually some reason for why they’re doing things. It’s amazing to just throw somebody under the bus, but … you also need consistent rules and guidance for behaviors as opposed to knee-jerk reactions. It is complicated bullshit at times, but there’s a reason why things are typically handled in any given way. Process can be a son of a bitch when you just want quick solutions.

Yeah, I think Seattle has some knee-jerk reactionary politics going on right now. The head tax fiasco… headdesk. Interesting idea, worst execution possible.

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I agree. I believe that has alot to do with it. I personally think Trump has money-laundered for the Russian for years, maybe decades.

Two deleted posts for that short ass paragraph?

Yeah I know it sucks when your bosses can’t decide on the messaging they want to put out, but there is an edit button bro.

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But they really aren’t we got tons of whites with expired visas coming from Canada and Europe

We got tons of asians and a lot of Africans also here on expired visas

It is not like the people here on expired visas didn’t try to renew them they did it is the government that fucked up by being slow

Oh shit your bias has shined through

I payg 1 dues because my union does great work 1

Union got me job security, better pay, and great benefits

I am for choice, but this just leads to unions working harder to keep us on board

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