American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

General Discussion
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I don’t want armed teachers

They don’t need to be shooting

I am more for armed security at every school

Would love to see trump at that open session agree to everything, then switch it all up as he falls apart

Dude just was itching to shit on people

The state of florida has seen multiple shootings within the span of 2 years that made headlines

You would think they would do something

I like how in isreal only those over 27 and with extensive training can even have guns

Yeah raise the rate, limit the arsenal, give incentives

How does the mace lobby or taser lobby not fund dems is beyond me

742

Supposedly there was armed security at several of the shootings. Not sure how effective it is. In theory, great. In reality, …………………

743

Other countries live without it. It’s an American problem. Other countries don’t have more guns to solve the issue either.

744

This too. Guards aren’t trained killers. They’re low wage workers who act as more of a visible deterant than an actual force in reality. They might help stop theft but a mass shooting is well above a school guards paygrade.

745

A fair number of teachers have to supply their own supplies for the classroom. I just want to know where this money for ammo, weapon certifications, and training is going to come from. I am all for school safety, but it’s imperative that we don’t forget that schools are learning facilities.

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If there was security how are they trained? Are they trained to act or trained to call the cops

I am more for cops patrolling the school

Let every weird psychopath know they will be shot

I am for way more restrictive school entrances

In my high school some nut could just walk in through the football field and blast away

Schools are not built to prepare to be attacked

Obama: any time we try shit congress says no because the nra and gun lobbies control congress

Just as an aside, cops always patroled my school. We were a ghetto school with gangsters and drug dealers

White schools wish they had metal detectors, police patrol, and security out the ass

Went to my ex gf’s school and they had guys on bikes with walkie talkies

That was it.

It was like “so what if something goes down with guns?”

She was like “lol never happening”

Me “okay deal with those trench coat mafia fucks”

748

I am really really really not for more guns in schools, but I don’t have kids so do whatever the fuck you want I guess.

749

I really don’t think people are listening to themselves talk when they start suggesting to arm god damn teachers to make schools safer. Imagine going into an interview.

“Congratulations, you got the accounting job! Also, we’re going to need you to take firearms courses in case Jimmy snaps one day and decides he wants to murder us!”

750

I think if teachers wanted to be cops they wuld have become cops instead of teachers.

751

Arming teachers is the stupidest fucking idea I’ve ever heard. Being armed didn’t even help Chris Kyle from getting killed, what makes anyone think it’s going to be any different for some scared shitless social studies teacher?

752

Schools don’t need more security or arming of anyone. We just need to have people brave enough to speak up and people to get those troubled kids help. I know each area/state/region is different but isn’t this the reason why there’s been such a huge campaign to stop one source of gun violence? The stop bullying campaign has been going strong. We need now ads that say speak up and talk it out.

753

Yea there was no need for anyone to be armed at this school, the need was for the FBI and authority figures to take seriously the reports that this dude was gonna shoot up his school. But they sat on their hands and did nothing and now we need to arm gym/science and math teachers with guns?

754

Oh yes. This is true, but as a stop gap i am all for police patrolling the schools.

I am for raising the age to have guns to 26.

I want training and safety to be mandatory to have a gun

755

I dont think you can be old enough to die in war but too young to buy a gun. 18 is fine age to own a gun, proper training and schooling on guns goes farther, raising the age limit to 26 is stupid unless you are willing to push Military age to 26 as well.

756

If you ask teachers what they want, overwhelmingly they support stricter gun control over arms. Overwhelmingly.

There is no precedent for it either. No other countries that have done it. Instead countries when there are shootings make it harder to get guns.

757

THIS, 100%. Most of these shootings, the warning signs were there and people ignored them and the authorities sat on their hands.

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I’m all for cops patrolling schools. Sure.

  1. Where are they going to come from?
  2. Who decides who goes where?
  3. Whose paying all of those off duty police officers?

The main problem is 1 and 3. Y’all have no idea how much money it costs to have an off duty police officer to guard your store/establishment.

That shit makes stores take losses.
Stores would rather regularly get robbed, rather than having to pay an off duty cop to stop robberies.They take less of a loss from people stealing shit on a regular semi regular basis than they do from having to pay for an off duty cop. Let that sink in.

760

Reducing gun violence by handing out more guns is some Metal Gear Solid V-level shit.

Spoiler

In MGSV, the character Skull Face’s solution to eliminating the threat of nukes was to give all countries access to nukes.

By arming teachers, you’re bringing guns right in the classroom, when the whole point is to keep them out. What if a teacher is under extreme stress and decides to take out their frustrations on the students?