American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

Have a little music with your night.

-Starhammer-

yeah, Iā€™d be unhappy too. doesnā€™t sound like the same old Germany, not that Iā€™ve ever been there myself.

Is there anywhere I can find the translated versions of those links you posted? Iā€™ll read them in the morning when Iā€™m not falling asleep on the keyboard.

-Starhammer-

The pro trumpers really reaching right now

Dunno man, I spend most of my time in Netherlands and Germany, didnā€™t notice that much of a change. Just a shift of focus from Eastern Europe & Turks to more North Africa. :v

Donā€™t think thereā€™s a transalted version, maybe of the Sputnik article, sorry. Sheā€™s just not thaaat happy with how everything worked out:
ā€¢ There was an interview, she talked about the positive AND negative aspects of the work with refugees
ā€¢ shorter version of that interview in a PL newspaper
ā€¢ interview got translated and was all around the world, in different languages
ā€¢ Sputnik used some quotes without any context, claimed that she wouldnā€™t work for that organisation any longer and wants to escape to Poland
ā€¢ Everything went full ham, suddenly there was news that thousands of people from Hungary would escape to Russia(?)
ā€¢ Correction from Sputnik but worth nothing, as the ā€œnewsā€ got out of hand, people spread it and ignored the correction
ā€¢ InfoWars published an article, cease and desist sent because author mixed his own statements with hers, still online
ā€¢ Sites got informed to correct their ā€œarticlesā€, remove the wrong facts etc. but they donā€™t care either
ā€¢ Mentions sites like infowars, diversitymachtfrei, gatesofvienna and some others

tl;dr: Quotes out of context, exaggerated, simply lies to createā€¦ well. Fake news? Sheā€™s still unhappy with the way the general media handles the refugee crisis and ongoing problems the same way sheā€™s unhappy those far-right sites twist stuff. And itā€™s just the same principle how propaganda works, people will forget the messenger but the information will stay, probably without the corrected version.

I donā€™t want to side with anyone and try to stay out of that refugee discussion, but that ultra-right shit from diversitymachtfrei with the name, logo and stuff doesnā€™t sit well with me. Daily Stormer is not something I want to get my information from. If Infernoman uses those pages, well. Canā€™t stop him, can only try to refute things I know of. (:

hmm. So diversitymachfrei is trying to make it a bigger thing than it is? still, I wonder if the main part of her story is true, that being that sheā€™s leaving because of immigrant/refugee problem. If some of the parts Iā€™ve heard are true, such as people being forced from their homes and those homes in turn being given to the new arrivals, then Iā€™d say sheā€™s lucky to even have a choice.

Iā€™m starting to like this guy more and more. Not just because heā€™s rather good at this internet news thing, but it seems that he angers people with nothing more than his appearance. :rofl: well, on to the video.

:rofl: I swear. How many times are people going to continue to fall for this? ā€œWeā€™ll get him this time!!ā€ ā€œSome new info? Weā€™ll get him this time!!ā€ ā€œAnother report? WEā€™LL GET HIM THIS TIME!!ā€ Itā€™s like some weird combo of crying wolf with fireball spam. The fireball is thrown, the media jumps, and the dragon punch connects. Again. And again. And again. The endless waltz.

Listen ladies and gents. They arenā€™t going to impeach Trump. They arenā€™t going to find the Russian collusion evidence. In fact, there is a higher chance that more democrats will be in jail because of their continued quest to get rid of Trump than he will. Dems, you gotta change your game. The current,ā€œTrump badā€ agenda? It ainā€™t gonna work. The major thing Iā€™m waiting on is for Holy hillary to get arrested so that the failure can be complete, or at least closure to this saga can be brought forth. I imagine that on that day the tears shall once again flow as they did a year ago. And then, when 2020 arrives, will we see a repeat? Will Trump once again become president? I wait for the day, cup in hand.

-Starhammer-

School students are planning walkouts and marches on Congress and local offices to protest gun laws. It has taken a while but this might be the straw the breaks the conservative back on this issue.

need to dig up the gun control thread we had here in GD. It was actually really good and an SRKer made a good post talking about some of the issues surrounding some of the bans.

either way, not really sure why the AR is used in a lot of things, probably because the name is popular. You can change the stock of the rifle from plastic to wood and people will find it to be less scary; same caliber weapon, same magazine size, one is somehow seen as more dangerous than the other.

If we go by the incredible effectiveness of the womenā€™s march, the DACA protests, and the BLM demonstrations, I wouldnā€™t expect much. Nobody ever wants this, that, or the other around until they need it, then they wonder where it went. Thus far, Iā€™ve only seen one country where they donā€™t have guns and it is working. That is Japan. I only recently found out why that may be. The Japanese culture itself is the answer. Iā€™m thinking if we teach respect and honor here in America on a level like it is in Japan, guns wonā€™t be needed. Of course, we still blame videogames for real life violence while glorifying ā€œDat Thug Lifeā€ on far too many different forms of media so again, donā€™t get your hopes up.

-Starhammer-

Just for clarity, what are you comparing it against?

We really need to focus on getting that health care for everyone and that includes mental health. So many signs were there and they did nothing with this guy.

to a bunch of other rifles that shoot the same caliber but without scaring looking ā€œIā€™m an operatorā€ looks to them.

Well trump did all those cutbacks to mental health, medicare, and social services last year. Along with renegging that bill that made it so those with mental health issues were barred from having guns

I know that @wasted said it wonā€™t be fair to those with depression. But fuck off. People suffering from mental health issues shouldnā€™t have guns.

I know so many guys with ptsd who ended up shooting themselves

That our police force is filled with guys with ptsd who donā€™t go for treatment is disgusting

Mental health should be mandatory
Healthcare should be free

But nope that isnā€™t how capitalism works

Did I say that about people on depression? I really donā€™t remember. If I did, I was wrong to do so. Depression is fucking dangerous.

Improve the means by which people can be flagged as ā€œmentally defectiveā€, and get that shit into the NICS database immediately. Would be a start.

If you want healthcare to be free, expect it to be fucking worthless. The same goes for your mental health treatment.

It wonā€™t do shit, because the kids are pretty much wrong on all their points.

The nra and those websites sponsored by the nra say nics should be disbanded and everybody has the right to defend themselves

The gun lobby is evil like most lobbyists

But making guns available to those with mental health issues makes guns the danger.

Let those guys with issues bring a knife to a school

Mean a couple years ago a guy brought a knife to school and stabbed a person, but was disarmed and ultimately arrested

That is way more preferrable to me

As a gun owner it should be hard as fuck to get a gun. There should be a mental and moral aspect. There should be discretion.

Nics and the background checks should be updated

That is gun control. The gun control that nra fears because their audience of paranoid conspiracy theorist and racist would be barred from having guns

Kids have brought guns to school since literally the Wild West, though. Fancy new laws arenā€™t going to change that.

Its already illegal to bring unsecured weapons within 1000ft of any school. Fat load of good thatā€™s done.

Itā€™s not the kind of measure that falls under supposed ā€œcommon senseā€ measures, though.

The ā€œcommon senseā€ crowd would disarm you entirely and repeal 2A.

Itā€™s less about racism and more about the fact that in many situations, the shooter isnā€™t actually the one buying their guns directly; rendering the background check uselessn regardless of its scope. Theyā€™re either stolen, taken from family members, or acquired through straw purchases. Sometimes its a combination of legal and straw purchases, and sometimes people.just never have any criminal or mental record.

Its why I hate the term assault weapon, its a oxymoron and it shifts blame off the issue and muddle the issue.

And Pertho is right, change the stock, hand grips and a few minor details and a AR looks like a old fashion hunting rifle.

Also I am often floored how stubborn people are when it comes to explaining what Semi-auto really means.

Semi-auto donā€™t mean automatic, or 3 round burst. It means the gun ejects the spent casting, re-cocks the firing mechanism, loads and chambers the next round automatically instead of manually operating the bolt of a rifle to do the same process. Semi Automatics does not mean rapid fire.

Yes this makes it physically easier for a shooter to take the next shot but at the same time once loaded the only parts of the gun that can move is the trigger, hammer and firing pin.
Depending on the model of the rifle, it takes a considerable amount of strength to operate a manual rifle bolt.

In many ways semi-automatics are safer:
itā€™s easier to maintain muzzle control
Most Semi-automatics has a safety setting, while set on safe the gun can not fire, even when loaded.

Most Gun deaths are not from mass shooting but accidental due to negligence or lack of proper training.

Fuck it. ā€œHakaiā€ this threadā€¦

Unfortunately, the masses do not care about semantics. All they hear are rapid gunshots, that kill lots of people.

Strictly speaking thatā€™s not correct, as most gun deaths are suicides. But youā€™re still right that more people are killed by accidents than massacres.

The masses are fucking sheep following the dribble presented by the media who only sensationalize everything.
They hear Semi-auto, gets fixated on the word auto and think Rambo.

Which such strong reactions, people who donā€™t buy into the panic/hype gets a knee jerk reaction and desperately hang on to their own guns.
And nothing happens as everyone gets polarized instead of thinking the issue logically.

The two things the US needs for Gun legislation

  1. Uniform gun laws across all 50 states
  2. Enforcing the actual laws on the books

Before you can try to talk about stricter laws and regulations, lets fix the existing issues with gun control first.

MURRRRICA

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