American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

Clearly you didn’t look any deeper than the fucking headline. Look at her percentage of Indian heritage dumbass. She’s less 0.1% She’s below the national average of 1% SHE’S NOT INDIAN

I wanted her to run for president in the last election you FOOL. I was her biggest fan until she started exposing herself as an opportunistic shitbag.



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I agree with this but it’s because the extreme leftists are the same scumbags as the religious right. What franken did was really minor compared to Moore, but the difference is that Moore doubled down which is how Republicans do. Dems/left are too quick to apologise for shit that doesn’t matter for fear of roiling the shithead leftist cults.

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Don’t ask me how or why I know this but I heard Stormy shot a bunch of stuff before retiring so she has material to release without actually having to shoot. I must have read it in one of the articles about her or something :thinking:

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I just mean in terms of their spending habits as president. Trump is used to playing with other people’s money, which he is here too, so why would he bother being conservative with it?

Because it is his job?

Are you drunk? I’m saying, there’s a difference in spending policies between guys who grew up with money and guys who didnt. Do you agree or disagree?

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I am stone cold sober.

I disagree with the idea that a President’s personal finacial choices ought to be allowed bearing upon U.S. Federal fiscal policy, yes.

It really isn’t that difficult of a concept to wrap one’s head around.

One is his, and he is responsible for it.

Because he inherited it.

As such, he is free to blow it as he sees fit (bailouts ought never have happened, and that would have saved us this epoch of evil in the Oval Office).

One ISN’T his, and he is responsible for it.

Because he took on the job of being its ward.

That means it is his job to protect it.

These are separate and distinct concepts.

That’s not what the articles you linked to stated. Nor really relevant to her statement that her family was significantly affected by their Native American heritage, regardless of whether or not she’s “enough” Native American for anyone.

I was her biggest fan until she started exposing herself as an opportunistic shitbag.

Sure: just saying I don’t think you changed your mind this moment.

The articles you link are about lineage versus tribal identity, a point you’re glossing over. Statement from article: “she has Native American heritage”, which is her point. Statement from Cherokee Nation: ‘this doesn’t have anything to do with tribal citizenship or affiliation’… good thing she wasn’t claiming that.

Sure, if you want to deliberately misconstrue, or more likely: have someone else misconstrue for you, what she said, then that warped interpretation of her words and actions are whatever you want them to be.

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If you’re going by the one drop rule majority of Americans are now indian. Keep digging yourself deeper fool

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Nothing in there indicates she lied at any time. You keep posting things that don’t back the claim that she did. This isn’t useful.

This is an area near and dear to my heart, and the distinctions being made by the Cherokee Nation are important. We can pretend that Warren herself doesn’t recognize the difference, but that would fly in the face of reality.

I got nothing. Your version of reality is whatever the fuck you want it to be. Going HAM about her lying about something she didn’t actually lie about is just breathtaking, but you go girl.

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Actual interesting (or at least not inane) political goings-on:

That’s just nuts.

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Which has been precisely the point both of us have reiterated ad nauseum, in here, to no avail.

They are incapable of seeing it.

Or they are willfully denying it.

Whichever the case, it is a mental defect.

I think it is the latter, mixed with some mild degree of psychotic hubris, that digs so deeply at the very core of their egos, that they were even willing to go so far as to misrepresent what we said, to Pertho, in the hopes that busy as he is, he would not read the whole scope of the “argument”, and come to the defense of a group of Peoples neither of us ever went after.

They argue in bad faith.

They slander.

They flatout lie.

There is no discourse happening here.

Warren forced to backtrack lol

It makes me sad in 2 years this thread just mimics reality as its just rinse and repeat with polarized views no matter what even in face of actual proof your wrong. I will say one side concedes every so often(left based) but not once has the other even come close.

Trump is either a god or if you even call him on his shit your the worst/anti-Trump liberal cuck biased fuck…

Seriously if all holds the Democrats will take the House back with a solid depth and can Gridlock for 2 years and then lets just Civil War V2.0 with voting on the Presidency/Senate in 2020.

Think if Trump loses the worst is insurance for all, higher pay for all with less tax breaks for rich, higher quality earth, equality, facts and truth from our elected leader…

So on that note Trump 2020 WOOT WOOT!

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As a great man once said: that depends upon what your definition of “is” is.

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I think Optimus had an excellent point earlier in this thread. I’ll comment more on that when I’ve got a little more time.

Most interesting sentence I read today:

Two US officials told Bloomberg that Mueller is expected to deliver his key findings shortly after the midterms.

Kinda what people expected. Nice to have that not part of people’s election concerns. :\

I wonder who the dems choose to run in 2020

That Beto Rourke guy looks like somebody the dems could push should he unseat cruz

What is interesting is you see all the crazy alt right rhetoric just regurgitated and nothing is trump’s fault

Trump let puerto rico out to fucking die

He has failed in every one of these disasters

Trump is a fucking imbecile i have no clue how his cult has been so brain washed

Boston Globe taking shots at Warren

Whether cutting taxes is a good idea or not is one of the core, if not the most important substantive policy difference between conservatives and liberals. Calling it “academic” at this point is like calling the Super Bowl “just a football game” after you lose it.

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nope and it’s a question which economists still find puzzling. why isn’t wage growth skyrocketing in response to the low unemployment rate. the trump administration claimed the tax cut would lead to thousands of dollars in annual wage increases. so far, the only thing it lead to is large amounts of stock buy backs.

lol…who knew? it’s pretty telling the gop isn’t hyping their “middle class” tax cuts on the campaign trail or in advertisements. their centerpiece legislation was supposed to be their winning issue for midterms instead they’re copping pleas. btw, did you see mitch mcconnell pretend to be a fiscal conservative yesterday? it was hilarious. unsurprisingly, this has been the GOP playbook for decades. this is what these charlatans do when the laffer curve inevitably fails. they put on their costumes of fiscal responsibility and absolve themselves and the policy of blame with a ready made excuse about why it failed. snake-oil salesman art laffer is a master at this art. his go to excuses are 1) it would have worked if they cut taxes even more. 2) it would have worked if congress cut spending. when the gop passed this tax cut.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-16/mcconnell-blames-entitlements-not-gop-for-rising-deficits

reagan didn’t grow up wealthy. he grew up in some hick town and as president he spent like a drunken sailor on leave in a whorehouse in tijuana. GHW Bush family was wealthy. his father was an investment banker and state senator. he attended private schools and universities just like his son, GWB. why did GHW Bush raise taxes to get the deficit under control and the son cut them only to watch the deficit and debt explode?

i agree with azure. furthermore, trump is no different than almost any gop president since reagan. they’ve been pretending to be fiscal conservatives since the party started peddling that rube goldberg scheme back in the 80’s. this fiscal lunacy is pretty much baked into the party’s platform for almost the last 40 years. .

Sure, but it’s a pretty big goal-post move going from asking how government revenues would have differed under a now hypothetical prior tax structure, to whether or not it is axiomatic that tax cuts are intrinsically “good” or “bad”.

And the Super Bowl is just a football game. A is A.