American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

In which part there did I apologize for Trump?

I swear you fuckers dont actually read.

How is that bullshit?

I’d not have Trump at my funeral, either.

And much like the majority of the citizenry, I didn’t invite him to the Oval Office, either.

His particular brand of television broadcast is a large part of why my T.V. is basically a gaming and DVD monitor.

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You arent a congressman.

The office of the Presidency should hold itself to a higher standard. Dont care who sits in it. This is a big RNC fuck up.

I think people are making this a bigger deal then it should be, which is par for the course with American politics. Focused on who was disinvited to a funeral instead of actual important shit. Fucking stupid as shit.

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In the military you salute the office, not the man.

When there is no man, but a steaming pile of pig shit in the office, military men frag the PoS-ifer.

I see nothing wrong with McCain’s doing his due civic duty, and socially denying the awful villainous Piece of Terribad Unmitigated Shit the airs of honoring his memory.

Exactly.

I am glad you are aware that it is who is sitting in the office of the Presidency that is at fault.

Finally.

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wait wait, voter ID doesn’t actually suppress votes but it’s still racist?

:thinking::thinking::thinking:

See I’m totally fine with voter ID laws, not fine with the fact that both parties dont actively help people get IDs, and completely against this levek of dishonesty.

So I guess your move Kaiba. The RNC isnt bwing honest about their intentions. Might as well be Gerrymandering 2.0 . So while I’m sure there’s a hypothetical party that would properly set up voter ID and the infrasteucture to help people get their documentation necessary in order, republicans aint it.

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Who the fuck can’t go to the DMV and get an ID? Why is that such an insurmountable task?

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My biggest complaint with voter ID laws is that politicians only seem to make a big deal about passing them in the immediate run up to major elections.

It’s fine to say anybody can head to the DMV or whatever, but just getting supporting documentation together can take months, and cost money people don’t necessarily have.

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From @HeerJeet on Twitter:

"4. The problem with the staging of the funeral is that it was designed to draw a contrast between the old establishment (bipartisanly embodied by Bush & Obama) with the off-stage Trump. But that’s false dichotomy. That old establishment created Trump.

  1. As I’ve been arguing for the last 3 years, Trump wasn’t created out of an immaculate conception but is the true heir to generations of bad politics, notably GOP “Southern Strategy” of race-baiting.

  2. McCain himself illustrates the true complex dichotomy here: yes, he stood up to Trump & offered an alternative nationalism. But McCain, by picking Palin & also fostering conspiracy theories about ACORN, helped pave the way for Trump.

  3. Beyond the Southern Strategy & Palin, think of all the other elite choices that led to Trump: the lies of the Iraq war, the mainstreaming of Islamophobia, the casino economics that led to the 2008 meltdown, Obama’s failure to prosecute bankers.

  4. We’ve had decades of elite failure, elite impunity, and elite coddling of racism, elite promotion of anti-intellectualism (think of climate denial). Are we surprised that the end result is President Trump?

  5. And also elite tolerance of corruption. Figures like Paul Manafort skirted the law for decades and were welcome by the likes of Reagan and Dole. Any surprise they would take the next step & elect, with foreign help, Trump?

  6. The message of the funeral was “The American establishment has a bipartisan contempt for Trump.” What was missing was any sense of responsibility by that establishment for creating Trump.

  7. The failure of the elite to come to terms with its own responsibility vitiates everything at the funeral – Meghan McCain’s righteous anger, Obama’s eloquent thoughtfulness, Bush’s cutesy candy-sharing."

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What, seriously?

The plan behind voter ID laws is to put substantial friction in the way of voting. For working class people, taking the time off to get the required documents and also to figure out the transportation to get there is a significant challenge.

Thus Republicans have a delightful way to suppress the vote of the people they don’t like. On the other side, Democrats push for better easier access to voting by all. Hell, here in Washington absentee voting solves all the problems.

I’m sure one side trying to suppress votes and turnout is exactly the same as the other side not trying to suppress votes and turnout.

I find it baffling that anyone would expect Trump to be a decent guest:

He’s a terrible human being. Regardless of whether he is POTUS or not. Nobody would be expected to trust him to have a sense of decorum. Hell, the Boy Scout thing alone is ridiculous.

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Yeah, except voter ID doesn’t actually effect voter turn out. But I guess facts don’t matter?

study after study has found that voter ID laws have little to no effect on voter turnout. At worst, the effect is small — barely detectable even in studies that employ multiple controls. At best, there’s no effect at all or even an increase.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/2/13481816/voter-id-suppression-turnout

So, if voter ID laws are intended to stop fraudulent votes, but haven’t been found to have a significant effect on the number of votes cast, wouldn’t that mean that either the number of fraudulent votes is insignificant, or that the laws don’t function as intended?

Or that the locations that use it never had a problem to begin with.

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I haven’t dug too much into the data but I’m leaning towards “number of fraudulent votes is insignificant”. If you buy into the Dem narrative that voter ID is racist then yes, the law is not functioning as intended, but if you buy into the Rep narrative that its purely to protect against voter fraud than you can’t know until someone attempts some large-scale fraud…

… I mean read the article. Think you’re saying everything I could say here. It’s meant to suppress turnout by undesirables. It does.

Yeah, I glossed over it, it presents the usual dem talking points, but I’ve already pointed to studies that show the ID laws don’t actually effect voter turnout. I mean, Vox is pretty liberal and even they face facts, although they spin it so its somehow still racist…

This is a pretty interesting read:

Apparently this was written by a:

Rogue journalist. Bogan socialist. Anarcho-psychonaut. Guerilla poet. Utopia prepper.

And they say the left can’t meme.