American Government Thread 2: RIP John McCain, 81

Bear in mind that McCain was seriously considered as Kerry’s running mate. And then after that brief but beautiful moment comes Palin, a big milestone in the celebritization of politics. And here we are with a failed businessman and reality TV star scumbag in charge of 'murika. Palin and Trump have been busy torching McCain’s legacy. We go from McCain defending Obama’s honor to “lock her up”. That’s pretty fucked.

Palin said Russia was the biggest Geo-Politucal issue facing the US. Then Obama told her the 80s wanted their foreign policy back.

Now everybody is losing their mind over Russian interference.

Will add the Kermit emote when i get back to my PC, but for know imagine a green muppet frog drinking tea.

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Palin made Russia the US’s problem by showing Russia that politicized celebutard bumblfuckery is a viable inroad with US voters. Self fulfilling prophecy.

The only thing holding America’s enemies in check, was their incredulity towards the actuality of the average 'Murikan citizen’s stupidity.

China STILL thinks Trump is playing Deep Yomi.

They cannot conceptually accept the alternative.

No she fucking didn’t. Obama tried to normalize relations with Russia. That lead to him getting cucked in the Ukraine and then Syria. The foreign policy in those 8 years leading up to the election had shit all to do with anything she said.

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Yes that’s how geopolitics works. You blame the politicians who lose the elections and the ones who take over after the foreign interference has taken place.

It’s never the fault of the ones who were actually holding power when the interference took place. Especially not the ones who made it a point to laugh at people who pointed out that that specific foreign power may be a problem.

Syria is all on Obama.

The current state of Western Europe is too.

Fuck Obama.

If there is any afterlife, and justice there in, he’ll get Drone buttfucked to death and brought back, as many times as his cowardly illegal bombings of sovereign nations cause a single iota of pain and/or suffering, much less the millions of people he murdered thusly.

Obama gets no pass for that.

The suffering he caused in the name of his war profiteering, market manipulating, speculation fixing owners on Wall Street was and is immeasurable.

Obama?

Drone Bomba, more like.

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News flash, Palin and Obama can both be shitty at the same time.

And whatever else you want to lay at Obama’s feet, the Trump voter is her demographic, not his.

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Both being shitty is beside the point. The democrats, and a lot of the media, lampooned her non-stop about her comments on Russia. Obama tried to buddy up to Putin, he played Obama and now we’re here.

The mental gymnastics needed to blame the current situation on the GOP is ridiculous. They literally were not in charge on foreign policy for 8 years. The build up to allegedly fuck up the elections happened under Obama’s watch. Even more so, the person who hand waved away security concerns leading up to the election was also Obama. Remember Obama saying the elections couldn’t get hacked while getting adviced behind the scenes on Russian fuckery?

C’mon son.

True.

Not much was done to swing that demographic to the Dems.

Dems need to lie about lying with dogs gooderer.

Trump winning the Presidency reminds me of that one Pinky and the Brain episode where The Brain runs for President.

The parallels are striking.

Except The Brain lost due to his looks.

That level of irony is downright numbing.

Pertho, I’m not jumping up to defend Obama. Find somebody else if you need to have that argument with someone.

But does the GOP really need you to stick up for them? They controlled the legislature for the last 6 of Obama’s 8, so they’re complicit in how that government was run, either deliberately or through incompetence.

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Uh. Mitch McConnell saying he’d burn the country to the ground if Obama interfered with the Russian interference?

There’s lots more along that front. It’s been covered pretty well.

Hey and here we are! How is that bipartisan bill to improve election security that was just passed?

The Republicans are happy to sell out anything, such as their constitutional obligations, as long as they get power or money. Merrick Garland. Russian interference. “ACA” vs Obamacare. And now delightfully the impeachment process, where we are heading into some crazy territory. Thankfully the winners write the rules, so nothing is a crime. I feel like the question is when, not if, Manafort gets pardoned.

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Very disrespectful to fly the White House flag at full mast, goes against earlier presidential protocol (after Senator Ted Kennedy’s death, the White House kept its flag at half-mast until he was buried, for example).

So Nafta is replaced

  1. President Donald Trump says the deal would be called The United States-Mexico Trade Agreement, getting rid of the NAFTA name.

  2. Trump says Mexican officials promised the country would start buying as much U.S. farm product as possible.

The new deal will last 16 years and will be reviewed every six years, according to U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer. Lighthizer also said the plan will not cap imports of light vehicles from Mexico, but keeps the steel and aluminum tariffs that are already in place. The deal must also be approved by Congress.

Trump called Pena Nieto to congratulate him on the negotiations and their outcome, noting Canada would be able to reincorporate itself to the talks. Canada has remained on the sidelines of trade talks recently while the U.S. aimed at first striking a deal with Mexico.

“Once the bilateral issues get resolved, Canada will be joining the talks to work on both bilateral issues and our trilateral issues,” Chrystia Freeland, Canada’s foreign minister, said Friday. “And will be happy to do that, once the bilateral US-Mexico issues have been resolved.”

Trump said negotiations with Canada had not started, adding that if Canada wanted to negotiate fairly, the U.S. would do that.

The Mexican peso jumped 0.7 percent against the dollar at 18.78. Shares of trade bellwethers Caterpillar and Boeing rose 2.8 percent and 1.3 percent, respectively.

The trade deal is apparently just NAFTA with some numbers shuffled around and the name changed so that Trump can talk about how he “killed NAFTA”.

No, I think it silly to try and throw shade at Palin when she’s had nothing to do with actually running the Federal government. By all accounts she was a really good mayor, and alright governer, and wholly unprepared to be VP, much less president. If we’re talking about Russian nonsense, that falls squarely on the Obama administration.

McConnell is a butt puppet. Not even conservatives like McConnell. Pretty sure the I can get mad at the President for not doing his job regardless of some silly ass posturing done by a senator.

“McConnell refused to sign a bipartisan bill”

Holy shit. You can’t accuse the GOP of dumb shit politics if you’re going to pass off the executive’s responsibility over to one numbnut in the senate. All these intelligence agencies that the President is in charge of and the elections got cratered because he didn’t want to look bad? Yeah, that’s fucking trash.

It’s also written as to keep China out as much as possible

There is an eight to one ratio of Mexico’s imports from China to Mexico’s exports, according to Mexico’s incoming foreign minister Marcelo Ebrard

Part of the problem has been NAFTA’s outdated rules of origin. When the agreement was drafted in the early 1990s, it did not anticipate the rise of China as a predatory, mercantilist manufacturing power. It did not foresee that Chinese manufacturers would seek to take advantage of Mexico’s access to U.S. markets by as many shipping parts and materials, to Mexico for eventual sale into U.S. markets. China is the second largest exporter of metals to Mexico, after the U.S.

The new deal would require 75 percent of the content in automobiles be sourced in North America to qualify for tariff-free treatment, up from 62.5% under NAFTA. It also requires that key materials used to make automobiles, such as steel and aluminum, be sourced in North America. Rule of origin for many products–including textiles, chemicals, and other steel-intensive goods–will be tightened, as well.

This should reduce the China threat in Mexico and the U.S., which is one reason the agreement could be a win for workers on both sides of the border. The new Mexican government wants to reduce the Chinese imports.

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As much as anyone, she helped popularized the anti-intellectualism and media distrust that fueled the entire Trump campaign. She assuredly deserves shade for that.

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She may be the public face of that now, but she didn’t start that trend.There was a lot of that during the Bush Jr administration because of how terrible a public speaker he was. Not being able to say nuclear right and that “Fool me once” quote.

Its kind of funny because my wife and I have been watching West Wing. The president is running for reelection and his opponent, a republican, is basically running on not being an intellectual. A lot of the turmoil on running the campaign centers around whether or not the President of the United States should flex his brains even though he has a PHD.

08 election was a shit show: Dude who hadn’t finished his first term as senator against a guy in his 70s. Terrible Tale of the Tape.

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Yeah, she nowhere near invented that, but she sure did run with it once she saw the chance to grab that baton.

But that folksy bullshit has been around in the US for an eternity. The Scopes monkey trial is literally founded on it.

Matter of fact, if you want to blame anything for that, it’s probably that one single trial.

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