I think X-Dhalsim is better than A-Dhalsim. Yoga Tempest replaces the Yoga Strike and Yoga Inferno, and he is easier to use in keep-away (computer automatically decides which attack will come out for normal attacks, and Yoga Fire always knocks down and doesn’t fizzle out).
Magnet-o: While I always play X-Sim over Z-Sim, Z-Sim is just plain better. Why? Because of precisely the reason you mentioned: the computer decides which limb range to use. It can make mistakes, and with things like VC drop throughs very lethal mistakes. In the case of Z-Sim, any mistake made will be your own – therefore Z-Sim, while requiring more skill and attention to play, has greater potential.
X-Sim also takes block damage like a whore. Nearly 40% from AKuma’s, for example.
As fo Z-Sim Yoga Escape… frankly I haven’t met anyone who can do this well enough for me to comment on it.
Guy should be higher. you put R-mika above him
Adon isn’t listed in the tiers, I’m not sure where he would go, X/A/V all have there uses, X is easy to use and powerful, A has an extra super, AC, and better air game. V is tough to use, but has some crazy VC’s. But I dont think V is really worth the extra effort.
If your using Ken stick to either X or V, I think A is just wayy too average. X has huuge damage potential, and V gives the obvious VC’s etc, plus the controllable normals, which I think really helps his game. Even though hes still pretty much outclassed by Gouki and Ryu because of the hopkick and divekick, he can still pull some tricks.
X-Rolento is powerful and has good mobility, but unless you play a flawless keepaway game, you’ve got pretty much no defense against VC’s
I heard Bison can be played in X and V as well, but I’m not sure of their effectiveness
i think guy should be higher
also i think that when i was talking to bas on mirc in oct he said v ryu v geif and v chuck were really close in listings.
I heard that Ryu went down and Charlie moved up, because Ryu doesn’t do well against the other top-tier characters, even though he’s good against anyone else. Charlie went up since he does well against the other top-tier characters except against Dhalsim.
She does incredible damage, especially with her Cross Scissors Pressure. However, I think she’s best in V-ism because she has a lot more options available to her.
I think you mean Juli.
In my opinion, Guile is at the bottom of the middle tier, because he’s so weak. He’s still better than Juli though. Dee Jay with his zero recovery on his air slash and Feilong with his priority puts them at least the second tier. Evil Ryu is Regular Ryu on steroids, so he’s somewhere above Regular Ryu. T. Hawk is okay. Just put him around the middle tier.
Can’t list all the differences, but the most notable differences is that Guile, T. Hawk, Dee Jay, and Feilong can be chosen, and that the window of invincibility in activating V-ism is shorter.
no way, v-deejay is #2 character in my book on console IMO. #1 being v-akuma of course since sim is crazy weak. he was so good they had to do major tweaks with him on Z3 upper. his pressure is sickening. excellent vc’s. good variation of vc’s too. that projectile is WAAAAY too good. good crossup. and his ground game is superb. excellent priority on his ground normals. hes got some really good cc’s too. too bad hes not in arcade(not counting upper).
Evil Ryu is worse than Ryu for 2 reasons, he takes more damage than normal Ryu and also his HK doesn’t do as much dizzy as normal Ryu’s.
I think Guile is the worst character in the game.
agreed, guile is so crappy. thats the only character i see in all of a3 that cant do anything at all. nothing works with him
See, this is where I disagree with everyone: I think Dee Jay sucks in the home version.
Okay, maybe not sucks, but I say that to give everyone the idea that I don’t think he’s that good. Sure, he has a no-recovery fireball… so what? NONE of his normal moves are good anti-air. In fact, the only good anti-air he has is a follow up Jumping Forward (which beats most air to air moves). But outside of that, if he throws a fireball and you Jump at him, what does he do? The beauty of Alpha 3 is that it’s one of the only Street Fighter games where Jump attacks have HUGE INSANE priority (which is how it hsould be, IMO). Dee Jay can’t stop a 'Gief splash or a Cody Jumping Roundhouse or a Rose Jump Short or a Sakura Jump Roundhouse or a Karin jump Short or a Sodom Jump Forward. When you throw a fireball with Dee Jay, you expose yourself to a world of hurt. Sure, you can block, but the enemy has all the momentum at this point. I still have yet to be convinced that Dee Jay is any good on the home versions. He’s middle tier, but I’d stick him at the tail end of it.
Guile goes into Bottom tier, no question. No priority on anything he does. Razor Kick doesn’t even work.
Fei Long, in X-Ism, is waaaay too powerful. I think he’s second tier.
T. Hawk isn’t too hot either. But he’d go middle tier probably.
And Evil Ryu isn’t that good. He has no distinct advantages over Ryu. His Raging Demon is horrible (not like Akuma’s was any good) and as someone mentioned, his Hurricane Kick no longer Dizzies well. So I actually think normal Ryu is still better.
And magnet-0, X-Dhalsim not being able to control limbs is huge. A and V Dhalsim can control their limbs, and I dunno if you’ve seen it before, but when they Jump, Back + Fierce and Back + Strong have the most insane priority for Jumping Attacks in the game. They beat EVERYTHING.
- James
I noticed the answers on my tier list. Well first of all:
Honda sucks because he has no good normals to depend on, his special moves arent too great too. He can’t do anything that another character can do better. Maybe he has some ood V-ism,but it takes more than that to make a good character.
I also don’t see the point why Guy should be higher, his normal are decent but his special moves ain’t that good, so are his supers. I also think V-Mika is better than him.
The second Juni( in the bottom tier section) is Juli,sorry about that small mistakes.Also sorry about Adon not being there,I’ll edit the list soon to put him somewhere,i’ll think about it again.
Guile is not in the tier list,because it is clear that he sucks.
I also consider A/V rolento better than X-Ism,because of Alpha counter,he akso needs crouch canceling which is not as good in X-Ism,because every rolento’s jump is a super jump in X. I also think V-Mika is better than A,but some people disagree with that,and its not really a good idea to debbate about that cause it aint a Mika thread.
About that V-Ryu thing going down and V-Charlie going up,it might be possible cause what you stated is true,I don’t know about Ryu being bad against other top tiers but As a V-Charlie player,hes good against everyone but Dhalsim,like most of the people.
hope I’ve cleared some things out.
I didn’t even realize that any of the tiers you had listed were actually ordered. 
I thought it was just the characters in that tier in no particular order…
If that’s the case, then, yes, Guy is MUCH too low. Guy is actually potentially really powerful. Nothing he has seems to be too good at first, but combining everything together makes for a very frightening character. Mostly once he gets in, and starts getting you with lots of Rushdown tactics (utilizing all of his special moves, including the Short Run), he can do some serious damage. And then, if you leave yourself vulnerable for even a second, his Combos are probably the most devastating in the game. His A-Ism Combos rival that of the best V-Isms in terms of damage.
As for E. Honda, he is still ranked too low. Yeah, granted, he’s not the greatest thing in the world, but he’s really not that awful. He’s got a lot of really nice tricks (for example, if you Crouch Fierce a Ryu or Ken or Akuma and follow-up immediately with a Jumping Roundhouse, Shotos can’t DP you: you’ll land and block 100% of the time. If they don’t DP, your Roundhouse will still connect. It’s interesting). I wouldn’t count him that low.
- James
guy is a very frightening character indeed. and you are crazy if you think his supers arent all that. so many ways to reset into his AA super. plus its scary if the lvl3 rush hits you. you losing atleast 70% on that guarunteed. his normals is very good. AA c.strong into izuna drop is too good. his poking game and rushdown is some of the most solid in the game. problem is, you gotta be pretty damn experienced to use him right. one of the harder characters to use in the game. he is downright a scary character
ryu is still better than…well the rest of the cast so a one place change (within the top tier) doesn’t shove him out. though sometimes i wonder how good he really is since sakura/gief/sim/charlie own him pretty bad. well not so much charlie. i’ve never really had a problem with a good charlie, but turtle sakuras, jump stingy giefs and rushdown sims own me for free
It’s true that guy doesn’t really have normals and specials he can abuse. But he’s still such a good char because of his ability to rushdown.
And about his supercombo’s. Bushinmusourenka kinda sucks his punch super is very good anti-air and last but not least his lvl 3 kick super which is the best. You can do chains after it and it has good priority. Guy can do like 70 to 80 % damage with his lvl3 kicksuper and 40 to 50 % without super ( in corner) :eek: :eek:
eat your hart out v-akuma
No way r-mika is better than him.
Slap yourself j/k
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I think Guy should be a bit higher too. I found out with a bit of practice that Guy can be really good and could put on some real pressure. For an A-ism character, he has some really damaging combos. He has good high-low mix ups with his overheads; HK run kick, f+MP and close MP. His close MP is the fastest overhead I know and link to his FP.
My main problem with Guy though is that you need to stick to your opponents like glue. His best strategies involves him being on your opponents’ face. Anything that effectively keeps him away also puts him in trouble. And when up close, he risks eating a VC.
I don’t put Guile in the bottom tier because he’s pretty good in X-ism. I only find his Sonic Boom weak; his normals and Somersault aren’t bad. I play him as if he has no Sonic Boom (which does so pitifully little damage that I don’t bother with it).
His rushdown is pretty safe . You should stick to runs because izuna drop can be vc’ed pretty easy. It depends on the char your fighting. Against sim izuna drop is ok but against charlie you should stick to ground chains.
you are a guy player? plz post in guy thread i’m so alone 
Speaking of charlie.
charlie> ryu
But i watched a vid of daigo playing v-ryu and he was owning a v-charlie player. I never realised hadokens were such a big weapon against sak and charlie. What kind of hadokens is daigo using . They just can’t seem to get past them
when characters don’t like to jump (ie charlie) that let’s Ryu know to poke them to death and try to corner them. Failing that, he throws hot chi in their face.
Guile sorta sucks, but he has a couple nice VCs. Probably about as good as Dan.
Hadokens suck against sakura,each time someone throws in a hadoken,he says HIT ME WITH YOUR VC!!! If sakura activates she can go through the hadoken and whoop your ass with her vc.
And I may have been wrong for Guy,just never happen to see a good guy player.
for real bro, once you see a really good guy player, he gets extremely scary. fool does VC damage with all his A-ism combos. and his rushdown is too good. hes one of the harder guys for me to fight IMO. just cuz he can make you second guess to make a mistake into any one of his damaging setups…