uhh iono about putting Charlie(Nash) in front of Ryu.
and to people saying “there’s no tiers” “learn the game yourself” shut up…there’s tiers…tiers own your ass…tiers will own his ass…he’s better off picking an easy top tier character…learning the game from using that character…then drifting off to other characters he was interested in.
Shakes fist in angry rage! Dan is not bottom tier:mad:
being bottom tier in a3 doesn’t mean you suck. Middletier and toptier are just better but not so much that low tiers can’t be played competitively.
Should sim still be number one with v-akuma and v-sak around. ??
In a word, Yes.
Seriously though, imo I dont think Dan is bottom tier, people just say its Dan without even bothering to see what the man can do. But you are right just about any character can win. Apoc proved that when he played Balrog against the Japanese and at the time Balrog was considered to be maybe the 15th or 16th best character in the game.
Yes his rog is the shit. If balrog wasn’t a charge char I’d pick him up. too bad i’m a qcf kinda guy:rolleyes:
Saying there is no tiers is not accurate. There are definitely tiers, regardless of skill of player or not. BUT that should not limit your choices. I think, for example, V-Cody is an EXCELLENT character: he fights Dhalsim REALLY well, Zangief well, Sakura fairly decently, and goes through Ryu’s Fireballs. His ONLY problem is Akuma, because of the Air Fireball glitch (dodges that and gets stuck). But you can get around that with good play. Just don’t get knocked down. 
My point is that there are tiers. Dhalsim (A or V), V-Sakura, V-Akuma, V-Ryu, V-Zangief… they are top tier. They ARE better than the other characters. But that doesn’t mean if you are learning the game you should pick them up, because they may just NOT be your style. Playing a middle tier character who fits your style means you are 100% better than using a top tier character who isn’t your style. That is why I don’t play Sagat and Blanka in CvS2 tourneys. I’m not some crusader against “scrubby” characters. Hell, I use Cammy in that game. They just don’t fit my style, and my performance with them is sub-par. Which doesn’t get you wins in tourneys.
I recommend really thinking about your fighting style. If you want to pick up Alpha 3, definitely go with the type you like. If you like Grapplers, by all means, use 'Gief. He’s a GREAT choice and he’ll suit your style. If you are good with Shotos but can’t do Combos, go with A-Ryu, who is still decent. If you like Combos, use V-Akuma. If your forte is good ground poke footsie games, go with V-Sakura. And then, if Dhalsim floats your boat, go for Dhalsim.
BUT if you really like lots of button tapping and complex characters, PICK GUY. Playing him for a long period of time will make you good t him. If you like Combo intesive characters who just have all these weird tricks and set-ups, play Gen. If you like Jumping a lot, play Cody. Whatever. Jut play until you find someone who suits your style. Even Alex Navarro, when he was in Florida, racked up tons of wins with Juni. Go with who you know.
i just wanted to state, if akuma does air fireball on cody with meter from any range that causes cody to dodge, its a free vc for cody, into infinite. you can also ruffian out of the glitch. but if you are inexperienced with the matchup, the freeze is gonna own you. i think the scarier matchup is cody vs gief. free spd for gief after a dodged banishing fist, and a good glitchdriver setup. but like you said, if you can avoid it, its a good fight. oh yeah, it sucks when geif makes cody block splash,d/b+forward,banishing fist combo. that shit eats all his guard and its over after that
i still play V-Rose no matter what anybody else says, i found an effective 40% fullscreen anti-air VC and in the corner 65%, her ground game is still awesome, especially in V, she has all her old moves like 6RH for example…
I dont ever see any low tiers ever being used in tournys but im not shure about jp. I would like to see some good Blanka.
Balrog is good. Balrog was towards the bottom of second tier in a lot of people’s listings ever since like B4 back in 2000. So Apoc doing well at Evo2k didn’t affect his rankings TOO much, I think.
Dan is not good. But he has some stuff to work with…V-Dan is playable. There are several characters who I would consider worse than him. Well…2…Honda and Juli. But that’s plural, right?
Rose is not the worst character in the game.
The thing about A-Rose vs V (as far as which is better) is that damage reduction (counter mashing) really kills A and X. If you couldn’t mash her supers down, A-Rose would be so, so good. Or even if you couldn’t mash it down as much. But you can, so neh. Still pretty good. V-Rose doesn’t gain much that A-Rose doesn’t have, other than an unblockable glitch which I’m taking to my grave, better damage (via VCs), and small benefits from command normals (a few new combos, s.Fk as a poke, about 3 new anti airs, etc). I hesistate to say which is better, since I haven’t played A3 seriously for a pretty long time, but all things considered, they’re ABOUT equal. A is better vs Dhalsim because of the supers, V is better vs Gief because of the normals, etc.
Just Curious. Does the unblockable refer to one where you jump at them with short after a quick low hit with the middle vc? heheh
Apoc.
that just sounds like the typical vc madness any character can do 
very funny.
Eh I like Dan myself, im not very good at custom combos though. I usually end up using Dan and Ken as my main characters. It just doesnt seem you can really win with them without customs.
Ken can win a lot of fights in A-ism, i think its his best mode IMO. his crouch cancelling off j.fierce ch is too good. his s.roundhouse and f+roundhouse are excellent. and his dp’s are awesome. very solid character. just lacks a couple things as opposed to the other shotos like a hopkick. but overall, hes solid. high 2nd tier
xken standing fierce is too good. i just throw it out and let ppl walk into it
I made this tier list,which is pretty reasonable IMO. If u disagree with one thing don’t start yelling, just explain why I misjudge and blablabla.
Top Tier:
A-Dhalsim (can air teleport from V-Ism combos,insane priority etc)
V-Akuma (Very versatile, damaging V-ism, OTG and all)
V-Sakura (Insane Priority, best cross up, abusive anti-air VC)
V-Zangief (Inceased SPD range,Kattobi cancel, Strong air game)
V-Ryu (good normals,crouch cancel infinite,all around)
Second Tier:
V-Charlie (excellent pokes,nice VC,crouch cancel after combo etc)
V-Vega (good pokes,good air game,good pressure character)
A/V Rolento (nice priority,nice air game,decent supers and V-Ism)
V-Karin (Unblockable V-Ism, nice cross up, versatile)
V-Sodom (Optimal range, pressure character, OTG)
Middle Tier:
X-Juni ( apparently very strong,never saw one)
V-Cody (dodges,good pokes,)
V-Sagat (decent V-Ism combo,decent priority)
A-Gen (good pokes,nice cross up,good supers)
V-Cammy (good pokes,decent V-Ism)
X/A Balrog (good pokes,nice range)
A-Rose (nice range and pokes,nice Crouch canceling too)
X/A/V Ken (good pokes,solid character)
X/A/V Chun-Li (varies with different Ism but pretty solid)
X-Blanka (fast and effective)
A-Bison ( hes not that bad,nice air game)
A/V-Mika (nice V-Ism with OTG,pretty damaging supers too)
A-Guy ( nice supers,decent pokes etc…)
V-Dan ( pushblock,nice VC,bad special moves, qcb+kick is okay)
A/V Birdie (never got to see one that really impressed me)
Bottom Tier :
X/A/V Juni (sucks in any mode)
X/A/V E.Honda (sucks in any mode)
comments?
why a/v rolento over x?
A few arewas of disagreement. I won’t argue tiers, because 1) They’revery subjective. 2) The ones you have listed are about right. I’m questioning sticking Vega is Second Tier, but it’s not far off. Also, I’ve always been opposed to the way the tiers are named, I would prefer to name them: “Top Tier”, “Almost Top Tier”, “Second Tier”, and “Middle Tier”. That kinda helps alleviate the impression that the lowest tier is “bottom tier”. Helps make it clearer that the final tier isn’t that much worse off than the top tier.
Only one main argument: Honda is not a bad character in V-Ism. He’s got a legitimate anti-air VC in V-Ism, at least. I would still stick him in the 3rd tier.
V-Dhalsim supposedly is just as good.
Also because V-Ism can be used as a reaction to other people’s V-Isms. It protects him when he Jumps in against characters with Anti-Air VC’s. Also, when he needs to win a round, it allows for an almost guaranteed SPD.
Not sure about X-Ism. I know her Hooligan throw (low catch or air-to-air catch) does 33% damage, but that doesn’t justify her being the best Ism. I think V-Ism might still be the best Ism for her, because of the inherent aid that V-Ism gives.
V-Ism 100% better than A-Ism. Without V-Ism, she can’t beat Zangief. And her anti-air Custom Combo does way too much damage to be trivial. Makes her way more deadly, and also gives her some free SPDs in clutch situations.
Don’t deny X-Ism Birdie, who I think is the best. Damage is huuuge and really easy to Combo into his Super (if you ever land a Counter Hit Crouch Fierce, Level 3 Super is for free if you Buffer on 2nd Hit). He can’t do much else besides brute force the enemy to death, so the aided VC’s and A-Ism Supers don’t really add to his game much. He’s gotta do the damage in whatever way he can. Basically, I think Birdie is probably legit in all three Isms.
Again, reiterating that V-Ism Honda is the best, by far, and actually makes him fairly competent.
But she’s the Sodom Killer!!! (No, she actually isnt’, she sucks. That is an inside joke between me and my friends. Please ignore. ^_^).
Lastly, and I know my opinion on this differs greatly from everyone else, where do people think the New Challengers (Dee Jay, Fei Long, T. Hawk, Guile, and Evil Ryu) fall into these tiers from the home versions?
Can someone tell me the differences with the console version? Someone said that the console versions tiers are different for some reason (V-ism getting powered down I guess). Thoughts?