Nope, newer games reward luck and combo execution a lot more than the older games did. That is a complaint many great players have had with the newer games, instead of forcing players to make up the difference in footsie and other basic skills, Capcom simply lessened their impact so weaker players could compete. This is why the OG players still own new players in the older games, even if the new players are dominant in the newer games, the newer players just do not have as strong a base in winning without the gimmicks. Simply put, an OG player that puts time into learning combos in newer games will get better much quicker than a new player that has combos in new games trying to play OG games.
In A3 for instance, regular attacks do almost no damage. The game is basically turtle/runaway to build meter, then try to hit your VC. I’ve played with top tourney players offline, so I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on what goes on. It’s just the way A3 is set up. There’s a lot off bullshit in A3. I can play both games, but to pretend A2 is some broken unplayable crap is just stupid. A3 is just as bad, but it’s newer. Also I don’t think A3 is nearly as fun, but it does have some different things to do and a bit more variety. Balance is pretty bad in A3 though I think compared to A2. The bullshit in A3 to me is a lot more annoying than the stuff in A2, so if I go by fun factor I take A2. The only reason I play A3 sometimes is because nobody plays A2.
good. watch the b3 vids. you see never see less that 5 alpha counters in one round. retarded. for ken it was a free srk which takes a little less than 1/6 of life. the reduction and guard meter in a3 stopped the dependancy and abuse. a welcome change imo.
Runaway to build meter? The game is nothing like that at all. And I’d love to here how the balance is bad in a3, especially when compared to a2. the only character arguably over everyone else is v-akuma and even he’s not overpowered, everything else is fair game. keep up with a-cho you rarely see the same characters winning it all each time. it’s not 3s.
V-Sak and V-Akuma are in a tier of their own. Everyone else is lower than them. You can’t even use most A-groove chars, I think only Guy, Gen? and Chun can even be considered passable there. The reason why people build meter is because regular attacks do a few pixels of damage, but VCs can do 70% or more. The entire game is based on landing your VC. That’s one of the reasons V-Akuma is so good, abuse short HK and whiff throws to build meter, then do VC. That’s not deep gameplay to me. That’s just hella stupid.
I don’t think a-cho vids override the state of the game in the US, since you’re playing in the US not Japan, and their tourney format is different. As someone that’s watched top A3 tourney players in action, and played against them, that is my view on this game. I suppose you watching vids and playing on kaillera somehow makes you more qualified to comment. From what I hear, it’s not like you’re even good on kaillera, how can an inferior player such as yourself possibly be able to comment on the game over myself?
Stupid hit boxes, fucked up move priorities, one system/combo being the entire focus of gameplay. Sim’s airthrow was pretty fucking stupid, Chun’s priorities on a lot of stuff is stupid. Blanka, Sagat and Bison are pretty stupid too. So’s Gief. The only reason nobody comments on those chars is because VC is even more stupid, and beats their stupidity. If you took out VCs in this game, it would be one off the worst games ever. It is just horribly put together and sloppy. There’s no real variety to this game, since you like 3s imagine a game where every character is Yun or Chun-li, and that’s A3. Everyone picks Yun because he’s better, but if they didn’t, it’d just be Chun-li vs. Chun-li for every match.
When caliagent said the stupid stuff doesn’t work offline, it’s because he meant offline everyone can use Yun, so they just ignore the stupid stuff entirely. Beating stupid things with something that is slightly less stupid doesn’t make the game good at all. If A3 was so good, why is it never at Evo?
i hope u are joking about luck and combo rewards. in the next paragraph down u complain about how much a3 normals do damage wise. reward combo ratio? luck ? do a 3 hit combo in ST and please compare the rewards to a game that cam out later -_- i dont understand how a games that has technical system with reduced damage can be talked about in the same sentace as luck.
.>>>
in general
most of the arguments about a3 i see in this thread are pretty bias and claim very broad unfounded things as reasons to dislike it. what if i came out and said a2 is just a borring poke fest with emphasis on turtling? keep it to “i like personally___ more” dont try to justify yourself so much
While I agree with you about hitboxes and other shit, that’s not the best way of judging a fighter’s credibility. They have DoA at EVO, but not KoF or Guilty Gear, and I don’t see Alpha 2 anywhere either. I don’t think most of the good A3 players will deny that the game is broke as shit, it’s just that A2 is just as broke in different ways. You also have to remember that up until recently, all the home ports of A3 were really fucked up, which doesn’t help matters given that EVO is a console only tourney.
My beef is not with people who prefer A2. Hell I like the game. It’s just that people say they dislike A3 because it’s broke, when I know that they don’t know how to play A2 well enough to comment either.
Honestly though, most of the newer Capcom fighters are horribly broke in some way or another. CvS2, 3S, CFE, MvC2. So we gotta make some concessions somewhere if we’re gonna be playing anything other than ST at EVO.
Not 100%, but you can make it pretty much the same by messing around with the dipswitches.
Forget about A3 characters in that game though. VC’s only work on other A3 characters, and there’s no reason to use any of the other ISM’s over A1/A2 stuff.
wow with that many cast of cheap characters… wouldnt it be even for them to fight eachother then?
I dont know what you mean by characters being stupid but there is a handful of characters that can use V ism effectively. just look at all xenozips videos.
there are so many ways to defeat those characters your talking about if you actually try to learn it.
your giving me the assumption that you get pwned by Vism then call it stupid.
if you keep getting AA Vism then dont jump.
if aKuma tries his unblockables guard cancel and stay out of the corner
if Sim is air grabbing. why are you jumping with him?
and if you want to to play guy effectively you HAVE to learn his combos and chains.
I still dont really understand what your real problem is.
Im guessing you really truly hate all MVC series.
to make it clear, I dont hate A2 I just dont find it as much fun as A3 the lack of air gaurd makes some projectiles abuseable
A3 has alot of possibilities and makes you rethink over and over.
sak isn’t with akuma. most people put sim above sak. the only reason some people consider sak ‘broken’ is because she’s so simple to use and is deadly at the same time. yeah people whiff attacks and throws on knockdown etc to build meter, nothing new. you said they run away and turtle to do it, no they don’t. you’ll be hard pressed to find a high level match fitting your description of gameplay. whiff throws to build meter, then do VC? wtf? that would only work if the other person doesn’t know what their doing. you don’t just activate at random and poofpow win the match.
The state of the game in the US, doesn’t mean shit because dumb people think the game is all v-ism and toss it aside. No exploration, or at least partial original, whatsoever hence why everyone plays the same cookie cut akuma’s sakuras or whatever. The game became stale because everyone ate from the same plate. I bring up a-cho because new stuff gets put on display consistantly. Why do you think all of a sudden old “decent” characters like sodom have shot up in the tiers or V-chun being a solid contender for the top tier?
others post dumb shit about how it doesn’t meet some standard of OG sf to hid their own inadequacies. are they the same games? And please tell what does Japan vs US tourney format has to do with anything.
Nah, it the fact that you quite clearly know very little about what you are talking about or rather are posting half truths coated in bs, leading other people other people who don’t know any better astray with your garbage.
hear from who? only few people from this site have ever played me offline and even then that was mostly 3s. choi and cole for a3 almost weekly in 04. ortiz once in a blue moon. So that only leaves kaillera as a gauge. since when does what a person can do online determine whether they are good or not? that some new shit among you superior players? please stfu. the fact that you can sit there and say the game is all whiff throws and vc, is legal tender enough for me to correct your backward ass.