AEMAKOTO Guide and Q&A: Ask all your questions here!

Loliser · October 13, 2011, 1:49pm

Hey, just curious as ive seen this a few times when watching some good mak’s
What would the reasoning be behind using your back throw on the opponents wakeup as opposed to karakusa?

NinCha · October 13, 2011, 2:09pm

Not being max-punished in case the dude jumps

Godly-Effect · October 13, 2011, 3:49pm

Precisely what NinCha said. You won’t get massively hurt if they were holding up since you will recover faster after whiffing.

mcgowanshewrote · October 13, 2011, 4:37pm

Ive always wondered, how can they jump? I know they do it to me all the time but if the karakusa is meaty…shouldnt they get caught by it? I dont understand the mechanics

v-ryu · October 13, 2011, 4:55pm

when you push “up” to jump:
during 4 frames, you’re still on the ground (so, if you get hit by moves, you stay on the ground), BUT your character is unthrowable

Boom_Cube · October 13, 2011, 5:10pm

Also, back throw’s quickly becoming the ideal setup for crossup tsurugis since it always leaves you at the same range regardless of circumstance (frame advantage is dependent on the character, but that’s where the setups come in). It doesn’t give you guaranteed damage like karakusa, but it’s tricky as hell and the risk/reward is hilariously steeped in Mak’s favor.

Check the popular stickies for more info on crossup tsurugis, they’re everywhere now.

Hitomi · October 13, 2011, 6:49pm

Throwing with the intent to AA is deadly on an opponent’s wake-up, jumping gets them 328 damage and a soft knockdown. Backthrow leads to perfectly meaty MP Oroshi, any meaty of your choice, a safe jump, cross-up Tsurugi, and trickery with Karakusa; I like jumping over and using s.LK kara-Karakusa myself.

Aphera · October 14, 2011, 5:54am

But what about invincible bugs like Yang’s bthrow wakeuo?

MrSimtang · October 14, 2011, 10:21am

I apologise for all the low level Makoto questions (you guys are talking about OS and karakarakusa and stuff, I’m not up to that level just yet), I just want to make sure this is possible:

I’m in training mode and I’m trying to do lk karakusa, st.hp, hayate feint, hk.karakusa but can’t seem to land the hk.karakusa.

It seems after the standing hp, the opponent is pushed too far back for the hk.karakusa?

Also, is there any frame difference between lk, mk and hk.karakusa? Is there any reason (aside from range) to use lk.karakusa over hk.karakusa? Is it faster?

Nuts · October 14, 2011, 10:34am

You’re supposed to do Fierce Feint Strong->HC, then you’ll be able to land the karakusa. And yes, lk. Karakusa is faster than hk. Karakusa.

MrSimtang · October 14, 2011, 10:44am

HC = Hayate cancel?

So I do st.fierce, mp hayate cancel, hk.karakusa?

EDIT: Can’t even get mp hayate cancel out, she just focus attacks. hp hayate cancel doesn’t seem to work either?

jamal313 · October 14, 2011, 12:11pm

hey guys. im looking @ vids. whats your thought about IA tsurugi? im seeing alot of top mak players like to delay their tsurugi instead of going for the IA. when will be a good time to apply IA tsurugi during a match?

Apocalipsus · October 14, 2011, 1:29pm

Hey there. I was having the same issue when doing the HC using Mp+ Mk, most of the time i was getting a focus atack.
Try using a lp+lk to cancel the Hayate. Please note you need to hold the lp+lk for a few frames for the hayate to cancel.

MrSimtang · October 14, 2011, 1:33pm

No, I know that, but I can’t seem to get HC with mp+mk at all, ever. It always does focus attack. Am I doing something wrong or is it not possible?

Nuts · October 14, 2011, 7:30pm

Guess I wasn’t very clear. Here’s how the sequence goes:

s.HP (hit), Hayate Cancel, s.MP (hit), Hayate Cancel (this cancel moves you forward), Karakusa. We just call it FFS (fierce, feint, strong) for short.

Keep in mind the hayate cancel into s.MP is a 1 frame link, so plink that shit.

sagmaniac · October 14, 2011, 8:08pm

try hp+mk ,lp+lk,mp+lk…etc…
use one that’s more handy for you

AEMAKOTO · October 14, 2011, 8:26pm

Added V-Ryu’s write-up of the Gouki/Akuma match-up and Mossad’s work on the Loop.

-Nuts

Apocalipsus · October 14, 2011, 9:05pm

Sorry to bother again.
I notice a problem against Honda (not sure if this happens with other characters too). I cannot do 3x s.MP against this guy.
I notice some characters like Seth or Bison (hum i think he is called the Dicatator) they get pushed back and I can’t reach them for the 3rd hit. However Honda always blocks my 3rd hit, hes at ranged to block but i cant actually combo it.

Wonder if this is normal or a PC (i play on a PC) issue.

PS: I went to train a bit more and I can easily do it against, for example Gouken.

Blacksonic21 · October 14, 2011, 10:45pm

3x st.MP is character specific it’s normal.

xActionBasturdx · October 14, 2011, 10:48pm

AEMAKOTO:

Makoto’s Mix-ups, part 2

[SIZE=3]Punishing Escape Attempts[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Once you start dashing around, knocking people down 10 times a match and grabbing people with Karakusa, people will try their best to get away from you. Here is where her Fukiage becomes invaluable, both as an option select, and a counter to erratic jumping behavior some people do when they’re frustrated. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]The first and most common escape attempt is a back dash. Fukiage cannot beat this. However when used in the Fukikusa OS, Back dashing can quickly become a non option. The classic example of Fukikusa involves a post Hayate dash that is meant to keep pressure on. Just do a :hcb: :hp:+:mk:. Of course Karakusa will come out if they back dash, but if they jump up or back. Then Fukiage will punish their escape attempt. Continue your combo for good damage, and a mark against their morale…[/SIZE]

im trying this in the training room with the dummy set on jump but when i do :hcb: **:hp:+:mk: **i always karakusa instead of fukiage. what am i doing wrong?