AEMAKOTO Guide and Q&A: Ask all your questions here!

[the_mossad_man]

ROFL, I do almost the same thing.
I have OAR post on favourite, and check it when I face a character I didnt play yet xDDDDD
"hmmm, ok, thats HC stMK, lets go". haha.

For shotos unblockable with LK Tsurugi, I found an easier way to do it:
f+MP -> f+LK -> LK tsurugi.

the one with LP hayate is too difficult. I miss a lot. I think it’s not frame perfect. You have to wait some time (before LP hayate) to land it.
Did this against a ken yesterday. Haha, loved his FA-backdash (resulting in FA -> forwarddash on me. BWHAHA).
He mashed shoryu -> whiff.
He crouch -> karakusa/oroshi->full combo. Too funny.

HAHA I knew i was going about it the right way! wow great minds think alike eh?

Hmm i’m going to try the LK Tsurugi unblockable. I like the way that looks. did you test it on any other characters?

can you explain the the options on crouch after the unblockable? Are you saying that you did Tsurugi and then karakusa/oroshi or were you OSing it? Or was this after he was afraid to move? or does the LK Tsurugi whiff on crouchers? Just curious. And confused…

[v-ryu]

Tsurugi whiffs on crouchers, sadly

[the_mossad_man]

But really?! you would go straight into Oroshi after a whiffed LK Tsurugi? Out of my league lol

[v-ryu]

nono.
Instead of doing tsurugi, I do oroshi or karakusa. lol

[the_mossad_man]

nono.
Instead of doing tsurugi, I do oroshi or karakusa. lol

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH now I get it.
…

durr hurr

[Fergus2k8]

V-Ryu was doing some of those tsurgi setups on me, it was demoralizing lol

[v-ryu]

Thats strange how shiro starts to know things about makoto
He just posted on twitter that crHP -> empty jump -> lk karakusa was a frame trap

[mcgowanshewrote]

Thats strange how shiro starts to know things about makoto
He just posted on twitter that crHP -> empty jump -> lk karakusa was a frame trap

Im sure you posted that first but I can understand his position if he independently found it. Because I independently found it too, didnt know it was a frame trap though, I just knew it worked against the cpu. never tried it in a match

[blackadde]

shiro plays so weird. at evo i was watching him at the MM room afterwards and he never really did any tricky setups or safe jumps, or any of the things the majority of players on this forum have learned to do. he always seems to go for the intuitive guess, or tries to react to everything.

[v-ryu]

Im sure you posted that first but I can understand his position if he independently found it. Because I independently found it too, didnt know it was a frame trap though, I just knew it worked against the cpu. never tried it in a match

of course. Me too i understand his position. But that’s strange, because we do that since beginning of super (ok, he played abel before. lol)

[Apocalipsus]

About Hayate Cancel
just hold down a kick push down, down-forward, forward, punch.

Hello there.
I can’t seem to pull this off.
I hit the training yesterday and tryed like this:
Karakusa, and during the karakusa animation, I press and hold medium kick.-> then proceded with the normal s.HP->HP Hayate and the hayate always cames out. (Yes I was still holding medium kick).

Wonder if It’s a PC (computer) issue

[v-ryu]

in fact, you have to hold the punch button too (for few frames).

to make it simple, just do qcf+K+P (hold a bit)

[Lost_Fragment]

ROFL, I do almost the same thing.
I have OAR post on favourite, and check it when I face a character I didnt play yet xDDDDD
"hmmm, ok, thats HC stMK, lets go". haha.

For shotos unblockable with LK Tsurugi, I found an easier way to do it:
f+MP -> f+LK -> LK tsurugi.

the one with LP hayate is too difficult. I miss a lot. I think it’s not frame perfect. You have to wait some time (before LP hayate) to land it.
Did this against a ken yesterday. Haha, loved his FA-backdash (resulting in FA -> forwarddash on me. BWHAHA).
He mashed shoryu -> whiff.
He crouch -> karakusa/oroshi->full combo. Too funny.

Practiced this for like an hour and I couldn’t make it unblockable once. Also, half the time I could reversal SRK. Maybe I just need to grind it more.

Also, wakeup ex tatsu gets shotos out of this.

[Apocalipsus]

in fact, you have to hold the punch button too (for few frames).

to make it simple, just do qcf+K+P (hold a bit)

Thanks. I used to do it like that, (pressing Light punch and light kick for some frames) to cancel the hayate.
I didn’t even remeberd to keep holding punch

Back to traning room.

[the_mossad_man]

Ha double perfected an 8000 bp cody using Tsurugi crossups yesterday (broken mic. maybe broken stick :D)

Also destroyed a B+ BP Bison with HK Tsurugi unblockable. This shit isn’t fair.

HOWEVER, i got my ass handed to me by GeoM DC HUSTLE. Dude is great IMO LOL. Either that or i was just playing really badly. I hardly ever lose like like that. dude beat me something like 20-5. It was even worse the day before yesterday… getting better everyday though

[Bizzle]

Gotta say, been playing Makoto recently to mixed success, but soldiering on. Looking at this thread has helped in a big way. You guys are frickin’ awesome!

[Facture]

No section on resets or am I overlooking it in the OP? I rarely go for resets, mainly if U2 doesn’t connect with full animation. However, I had something strange happen to me in ranked the other night with U2, that is probably known, so I was trying to find any info on it.

Anyways, I went for U2 and didn’t get the full animation, so I JC’d to follow up with the j.hp reset and some how I hit j.mk. The j.mk whiffed and as we landed in the corner I hit s.hk and it did reset. I watched the replay a couple of time and tried to reproduce it in training mode but couldn’t pull it off the few times I tried. I’m sure it’s old new but was just curious about it, wondering if there was a better way to pull this off.

[Hitomi]

No section on resets or am I overlooking it in the OP? I rarely go for resets, mainly if U2 doesn’t connect with full animation. However, I had something strange happen to me in ranked the other night with U2, that is probably known, so I was trying to find any info on it.

Anyways, I went for U2 and didn’t get the full animation, so I JC’d to follow up with the j.hp reset and some how I hit j.mk. The j.mk whiffed and as we landed in the corner I hit s.hk and it did reset. I watched the replay a couple of time and tried to reproduce it in training mode but couldn’t pull it off the few times I tried. I’m sure it’s old new but was just curious about it, wondering if there was a better way to pull this off.

I didn’t do a reset section because I don’t really use them, and haven’t delved into them/researched them. We could get a list going, but I’m not really the one to flesh it out. I could try, though.

Ones I know:

• Karakusa resets.

Karakusa resets

Spoiler

Any jumping attack or LK/MK Tsurugi, s.LK xx HC, HK Karakusa
s.HP xx HC, delayed Blockakusa
s.MP, s.MP xx HC, HK Karakusa
FA3, s.MP xx HC, MK Karakusa
FA3, f+LK, dash, LK Karakusa
c.LK, HK Karakusa
HP Hayate FADC LK Karakusa

If you can attack and stay in range to throw, you can reset into Karakusa

• FA3, c.LK/f+LK, dash under to cross-up. I actually use this one if I missed IA Tsurugi after a FA, much better than just jumping back out of the corner!

• EX Hayate FADC f+LK, dash under to cross-up.

• s.LP AA, slightly delayed dash into ambiguous cross-up.

• Fukiage, j.HP, dash under or IA Tsurugi upon landing.

(In the corner)

• EX Hayate, f+LK, IA Tsurugi/LK Karakusa/c.LK xx EX Hayate/s.MP hit-confirm.

• Fukiage, j.HP, meaty MP Oroshi into death.

• Fukiage, jump cancel empty jump, forward jump HP or MK to cross-up or not on quick rise. If j.HP is used, the second jump will land in front and you won’t be cornered if they don’t quick rise.

Works on:

Tested the fake hp crossup on everyone and it only works on: Fei Guy Seth Gouken Juri Dictator Cammy Hakan Guile Adon Rufus

[Zakbg]

Lately I feel like I need to improve my karakusa game … I keep using the same setups all the time and I rely on tsurugi and ex oroshi too much … I need some new setups … btw I’ve been thinking , does anyone want to make a super long makoto tutorial ? Like 25-30 minutes tutorial which will include matchups setups mixups and everything … it might get good feedback since not a lot of people use her and we might also get it on Machinima too… but that’s just some thoughts , I mean we’ll have to be about 5 people who completely understand her (not that I understand her completely like vryu or shiro , haitani etc.). My problem with this is editing , otherwise I can make it in HD … dont you guys think it would be very cool ? I’m actually obsessed with the idea , i just need to learn editing

[the_mossad_man]

Lately I feel like I need to improve my karakusa game … I keep using the same setups all the time and I rely on tsurugi and ex oroshi too much … I need some new setups … btw I’ve been thinking , does anyone want to make a super long makoto tutorial ? Like 25-30 minutes tutorial which will include matchups setups mixups and everything … it might get good feedback since not a lot of people use her and we might also get it on Machinima too… but that’s just some thoughts , I mean we’ll have to be about 5 people who completely understand her (not that I understand her completely like vryu or shiro , haitani etc.). My problem with this is editing , otherwise I can make it in HD … dont you guys think it would be very cool ? I’m actually obsessed with the idea , i just need to learn editing

You know, I was working on this for a long time, and it is so difficult to organize. I started on defense stuff, and the video was 10 minutes long and i had just barely broken the surface!

Now, a series of videos would be nice but… we have someone sort of doing that already, especially when new stuff comes out (i’m looking at you vryu lol). But yeah I gave up.

The most dificult thing is organizing everything. Getting it onto video is easy but actually knowing what to say is much, much more dificult…