Adon: Super or AE Version?

[Durant]

Thank you for the motivation and encouraging words @ Durant. I know my behavour is very childish and hater-like, but what am I supposed to do? Adon is the only reason I bought SSF4 and I’m dead serious with that. I’m not interested in playing any other character at all. Truth even is: I hate them all except Adon and may be Guy, but Guy is one hard guy to learn and even master, tried him a few days ago. Like his fighting style, his moves, mix ups. Was thinking to change to Guy as a main in AE but he’s very,very hard to learn that’s why I gave up on that thought.So only Adon is left.

It’s such a big sadness and disappointment for me, that a character, that gave me so much joy to play with now is going to be weaker without rational reason while other characters got buffed to heavens and got no nerf at all.
Anyway, thanks for the kind words mate. Best regards, I Jaguar I

Well I still say you should get AE. Although you have tried Guy, dont forget you were using Super Guy and not AE Guy. Anyways I also agree with ruff said…

His jaguar kicks didn’t get nerfed. I’ve explained it here:

Played arcade edition Adon updates

Air to ground specials have a range of frame advantage/disadvantage depending on when it hits or whether it’s blocked high or low. The person doing the frame data guide probably don’t know this so they probably took the frame disadvantage after Adon hits an opponent at point blank, which a player would never do. This is why Sagat can do tiger knee traps even though tiger knee on block is -10(LK version). It’s all about distance.

I do believe that something is wrong with that data on the wiki and therefore, I am calling it bull. When I play the game then I will see what nerfs he got. Obviously the person filling out the wiki doesnt know.

[DevilJin_01]

Adon has to block on wake up now. Boo hoo. SFIV got people on the “need 8 ways to escape pressure” shit.

[TVG]

Um, I just tested it. Frame data on medium and jaguar kicks DID NOT CHANGE.
It was -2 on block before for MK jaguar, that means it’s not punishable by a reversal shoryuken.
Guess what? It’s still not punishable by reversal skoryuken, point blank, standing, crouching, whathever. LK jaguar has always been punishable but nobody seems to know that.

Also, contrary to what has previously been said in this board, counter hit far HP, HP super DOES combo. It’s just sorta tight.

[ruff0123]

Um, I just tested it. Frame data on medium and jaguar kicks DID NOT CHANGE.
It was -2 on block before for MK jaguar, that means it’s not punishable by a reversal shoryuken.
Guess what? It’s still not punishable by reversal skoryuken, point blank, standing, crouching, whathever. LK jaguar has always been punishable but nobody seems to know that.

Also, contrary to what has previously been said in this board, counter hit far HP, HP super DOES combo. It’s just sorta tight.

Played arcade edition Adon updates

The frame data is bogus. Jaguar kicks haven’t changed. Even the Super data is wrong. MK was not -1 0, it has always been -2 on both hit or block (punishable by SPD, not by SRKs).
That means point blank, closest hit. You get different (better) frame data at max range.

MK Jaguar kicks is -1 on block if the opponent blocked it crouching. Have gief block MK Jaguar kick crouching then hold up or tap back dash, you’ll escape the reversal SPD. Then the same scenario with gief stand blocking, Adon won’t be able to escape the SPD.

You can always subtract one frame of disadvantage from blocked Jaguar kicks if the opponent blocks it crouching. You can also subtract one frame of disadvantage if the Jaguar kick hits a crouching opponent. LK Jaguar kicks is also safe from reversal SRK if you do it from full screen away, making contact with opponent on it’s last active frame.

[Zeckasaur]

LK Jaguar kicks is also safe from reversal SRK if you do it from full screen away, making contact with opponent on it’s last active frame.

Bingo. I’ve been using LK JK to poke grappling characters for quite a while, and I haven’t seen any changes in AE to discourage me from pushing out the occasional jag kick to keep Gief honest with the reactionary SPDs.

Note - LK and MK JKs are only safe from SPDs because of a range issue, as ruff said earlier.

[delusional11]

Bingo. I’ve been using LK JK to poke grappling characters for quite a while, and I haven’t seen any changes in AE to discourage me from pushing out the occasional jag kick to keep Gief honest with the reactionary SPDs.

Note - LK and MK JKs are only safe from SPDs because of a range issue, as ruff said earlier.

Hey you’re that guy who was on Excellent Adventures sometime last year, IIRC.

[TVG]

MK Jaguar kicks is -1 on block if the opponent blocked it crouching. Have gief block MK Jaguar kick crouching then hold up or tap back dash, you’ll escape the reversal SPD. Then the same scenario with gief stand blocking, Adon won’t be able to escape the SPD.

You can always subtract one frame of disadvantage from blocked Jaguar kicks if the opponent blocks it crouching. You can also subtract one frame of disadvantage if the Jaguar kick hits a crouching opponent. LK Jaguar kicks is also safe from reversal SRK if you do it from full screen away, making contact with opponent on it’s last active frame.

You’re probably right about the crouching vs standing. The point still is and was: Jaguar kick frame data did not change, there was no nerfs.

[rikc]

Is anyone noticing the hitbox change to MK jag kicks? I definitely feel like I’ve hit a few airborne opponents in places where I didn’t expect. This is probably stretching it a bit but I’m curious to know if it can be used as an anti-air in some cases

[Eben01]

Is anyone noticing the hitbox change to MK jag kicks? I definitely feel like I’ve hit a few airborne opponents in places where I didn’t expect. This is probably stretching it a bit but I’m curious to know if it can be used as an anti-air in some cases

I have definately been able to use the MK Jags as AA - accidentaly at the moment, but I will be putting some effort in to practicing this more.